Hornady EDL-X & Nosler Accubond LR feedback
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I haven't tried the hornady yet but tried noslers in 4 different guns and could not get them to shoot at any range over 500yds. most would not even do very good at 100yds. as we were use to shooting bergers there was no contest. I have a custom 300rum that shoots bergers under half moa out to 1500yds and took it to Africa and took 6 large animals with 6 shots and none of them moved. have been watching some tv show on hunting and some of them are trying out EDL-X on animals and I am not impressed on how animals now run around after they are shot where before when they were shooting bergers they just dropped.
Berger's fragment after fairly shallow impact destroying anything in its path and shredding organs. Makes for fairly instant kills. Eldx and accubond do not. They penetrate to make it into the vitals and not fragment causing much less destruction along the way. I love Amax, Berger's, scenar's and Match Kings on Game because they cause instant response in anchoring the animal. I've had good results with much less tissue damage with traditional hunting bullets but not nearly as responsive as the match type bullet. DRT is normally the case with those bullets. Many blogs have been written and read on this forum regarding this bullet issue and about 50% agree and 50% do not. It's all about personal experience and the most important factor...accuracy and range.
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If the 7s are anything like the 30s, don't use them. Accurate as all hell, but we've been having severe jacket issues with the 30s and 6.5s on organic targets. Jackets peel off, game goes wounded, they're almost like a VMax.
300wm, 178 @ 3200fps
6.5 CM, 143 @ 2850.
300wm, 178 @ 3200fps
6.5 CM, 143 @ 2850.
I shot a few of the 6.5 / 143 grain ELD X's into water jugs at various velocities . I thought you might be interested . Jim
http://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=32913
http://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=32913
I shot a bull elk in the lungs last year with a 162 Amax from a 7-300wm (3265fps MV) at 533yds and the bullet didn't make it to the far side of the rib cage. It went down but didn't die. I had to shoot it again to finish it off. I've actually had better luck with the 140 Amax's in my 6.5-300wm at 3230fps on 3 different elk from 100-300yds. Either one will kill deer OK but IMO the 7mm 162's are too explosive. I would try a Berger or a ELD-X. The Berger will give much more spectacular kills just because they fragment.
Good to know on those 162 Amax bullets. I have killed many deer and some elk with the 140 Amax at medium and very extended ranges. Great results on deer and elk with that 140. Seemed to me that the Amax results were similar to my 140 Berger's. Can't comment on the comparison between 162 Amax and 168 Berger tho.
Funny thing about the claim of a heat tip bullet. I've shot the Amax into sand at an excess of 800 yards too recover the bullet. Upon recovery never noticed heat deformation of the tip. Some rounds showed no damage. Thinking that the original Amax had a pretty good heat resistant tip to begin with. At least good enough for bullets.
I was going to try hornady eld-x but not now as I have watch a tv program that they were shooting elk and they shot a great elk at close range and we had to watch it run off and finally tip over! that wouldn't have happen with a berger as I have shot over 40 animals with them and they all went right down!!
I think bergers are gonna be my lead choice for out of state. But still like to have something as back up or just another round.
Was the show you were watching using ELD-X's or accubond lr's?
ELD-X
I will be testing the 6.5 143 ELD-X in a 6.5RSAUM when time permits
I have not tried them on game yet but had very good results with the 150 - 7-08AI & 168 - 7MMRSAUM ABLR out to 1000 yds and was very impressed with accuracy and consistency. Load process was find powder charge first - flat spot in velocity and then moved to seating depth. Very easy to tune. Sub 1/2 MOA.
With Berger's I have to trim the meplats to get them to fragment reliably.
I have not tried them on game yet but had very good results with the 150 - 7-08AI & 168 - 7MMRSAUM ABLR out to 1000 yds and was very impressed with accuracy and consistency. Load process was find powder charge first - flat spot in velocity and then moved to seating depth. Very easy to tune. Sub 1/2 MOA.
With Berger's I have to trim the meplats to get them to fragment reliably.
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Interesting finding on the Berger's. I have had great results with them in terms of performance on big game. Meaning the animal always drops within 0 - 40 yards from impact location. Pretty much internally the results have also been equal. Lots of bullet breakup and extensive flesh damage from fragmentation. Many other bullets seem to do much less damage and also kill but often times go quite a bit more distance for recovery depending on the hit. Amax and Berger's seem pretty much equal on big game for me. Reliable fragmentation is guaranteed with the above two bullets. They both have always fragmented for me. Good to know tho that trimming the meplat may be necessary if this changes for me.
interesting thought on the meplats, I have only tried bergers once and was not happy with the terminal performance, shot 3 whitetail with 190s from a 300 win. mag and all three ran, granted not far, one nearly 80 yards the rest around 50. All where 300-500 yards. Switched to 208 amax this last year and DRT both deer i shot. Maybe the batch of 190's i have are to closed up? They shot great, as did the amax.
So much for my theory on too heavy for whitetails. The Amax 208s are heavier. I found that heavier 30 Cal bullets pushed fast really didn't perform inside the deer and pushed thru too fast before expansion. Not talking about the berger or Amax tho. Wouldn't imagine that problem would occur from a Berger. Did the Berger bullet exit ?
Yes, all three shots where broadside through and through. None expanded more than maybe 1-1.5 inches on the exit. Dont get me wrong the deer didn't suffer and the bullet "did" its job. I just prefer not to have to track during rifle season. The amax gave 1" entrance and 4" exits. Keep in mind the deer in my part of the country are small so maybe it is just to much bullet with the bergers at to much speed. A big doe around here is around 140lbs. all 5 deer in question were 100-130 by estimate only. The amax shots were 217 and 411. The 411 ran about 10 yards, shot was back side of lungs about 5" further back from where i like to put them.
I wouldn't trust them from my results shooting them in jugs. Basically a fancy SST that won't hold up. Even at 06 velocities. If you want a bullet that will hold up the ABLR will.
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