Hornady DVRT ?

[ebb]

Yea i listened and I surely get the rounded tip flying different than the flattened tip. Consistency is rule #1 in ammo making. But not so much the rest of it. You make ammo that is inconsistent some have rounded tips and some have flat tips, so now your manufacturing mistakes have resulted in this whole new revelation that flat tips are best. weren't we doing that same thing with a meplat trimmer years ago? All I am saying is we thought you were making consistent ammo all along, now you tell us you weren't? I think when i want the best accuracy I can get it will be a Barts or a Berger. And yes I was completely satisfied with Amaxes. They were affordable and available, and reasonably accurate

 

[Monte F]

Time to perform a test. Sand the tips flat on some tipped bullets and compare to the unmolested tipped ones.

 

[SecondsCount]

I keep hearing this that the new bullets are so much more expensive than the old bullets. So, they changed the tip material and all of a sudden their bullets were way more expensive.

Well, when I go look at bullets these days Hornady has by far the best prices. No one's even close to their prices across the board actually. Yet people are still talking about the old Amax and how Hornady marketed them to higher prices. What was that 10 years ago? 15 years ago?

Today, Hornady is by far the most budget friendly performance bullet on the market. Well. And Barnes.

What I said was true, the prices went up. They're currently priced right where they perform.

I just hope the prices aren't going to go up because they flatten the tips and mark the box with "DVRT Technology"

 

[Doom]

Ok so why did all of the new hypersonic plane designs that were out a few years ago that were to make supersonic passenger flight possible and affordable have very sharp noses?

From a drag perspective the smaller the meplat the lower the drag. The problem is that with the shock wave attached any geometry variance will upset the bullet. The blunt nose may sacrifice some drag but being a uniform machined surface and with the shock wave detached it may show less dispersion.

As for Supersonic aircraft low drag is extremely important and it includes control surfaces to correct for minor variations in upsets that would come from minor changes in tip and other effects.

 

[ebb]

Thank you for that explanation.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

What I said was true, the prices went up. They're currently priced right where they perform.

I just hope the prices aren't going to go up because they flatten the tips and mark the box with "DVRT Technology"

they eldm, eldx, atips, cx bullets, and now the eldvt have been using this "DRVT" technology since the heat shield tips have been around, so its nothing new they are just now coming out with.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I guess this is why cab-over semi-trucks are still so popular today.

That was my attempt at humor, in case anyone was wondering

 

[rwj]

I guess this is why cab-over semi-trucks are still so popular today.

It’s still the design configuration used in European countries…

 

[Kracken McGraw]

It’s still the design configuration used in European countries…

I bet they do have a lot more maneuverability in tight city streets.

 

[CJ6]

That was my attempt at humor, in case anyone was wondering View attachment 1555648

BIL has a 74 Kenworth cab over he restored.

 

[boltfluter]

I would assume all the plastic tips are molded. I don't for a minute believe they will be machining the tips flat. Unless the molds are off, from mold to mold, the tips should be very uniform. No matter what the shape. My money is on another reason to bump the price a few more dollars. Don't get me wrong, as I am a Hornady fan and have been for a long time. Just the world we live in.
Paul

 

[209jones]

I think the idea that there could be a relationship or a formula for the meplat diameter to the bullet nose design may easily have some validity. I surely am not going to expend the ammo req'd to confirm or deny that theory, or buy the equipt needed to test it out. The F-class and ELR folk have been playing with theories that are similar with uniforming and trimming bullet noses for a little while, think Hornady tested it out, and claim they have proved it has some value, maybe not a colossal amount in the scheme of things, but, if it helps folk hold waterline better at 1000 yds, good on them. If it trims down some percentage of the variables to worry about, great.

 

[Downhill]

So....Is pointing bullets still a recomended practice or are pointing dies now obsolete? Or just more fancy marketing.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

I would assume all the plastic tips are molded. I don't for a minute believe they will be machining the tips flat. Unless the molds are off, from mold to mold, the tips should be very uniform. No matter what the shape. My money is on another reason to bump the price a few more dollars. Don't get me wrong, as I am a Hornady fan and have been for a long time. Just the world we live in.
Paul

again, these drvt tips have been being used for years now, nothing is going to change price wise.

 

[rwj]

So....Is pointing bullets still a recomended practice or are pointing dies now obsolete? Or just more fancy marketing.

We each have to try and decide for ourselves!

 

[davidjoe]

Not being an aeronautics engineer, it does sound right.
It would seem that flattening the tip will reduce the BC. So, looks like a trade off between BC and variability of BC.

I would want to know how much they found the BC to vary and what the variability was reduced to with the flat tip. Just because something is 'more' or 'better' doesn't mean it means much.

I would ask Hornady this question: if you find that your points vary from each other in the manufacturing process, then what assures you that your flat noses won’t vary from each other in exactly where they begin, down the ogive?

One thing is certain, a flat plane’s area gets MUCH larger closer to full diameter of the bullet, for the same margin of error in where the removal is begun.

I’ve been a big user of A-Tips, and I’ve actually given thought to whether the aluminum tip ought to be modified into a pencil point, since aluminum could be.

About the time I get serious about this I look at the noses of planes at airports, again, or the front license plate on sports cars, or use my black box Eley Match flat nose .22’s, and I think well maybe it doesn’t matter as much as doing it incorrectly could.

I do know that when trying to break the sound barrier without high power to weight ratios we have today, it was critical to make the Bell X-1 nose extremely pointed, and that even today all supersonic planes are virtually needle nosed, as are fast subsonic planes that advertise fuel economy.

 

[perazziguy]

That is very ALADEEN!!

 

[Alex Wheeler]

If the plastic tips melt and they are too pointy why not just go back to the good old jacketed bullet that works so well?

 

[CJ6]

If the plastic tips melt and they are too pointy why not just go back to the good old jacketed bullet that works so well?

Exactly....why not just close up/flatten hp tips instead of putting a flat poly tip on them.