Hornady Big Announcement April 24th

[cmillard]

Holy crap, have any of you naysayers even tried them yet?

 

[hogpatrol]

Holy crap, have any of you naysayers even tried them yet?

AFAIK, not yet available to the unwashed masses.

 

[Milo 2.0]

This is 5 times more fun.

 

[Bc'z]

Holy crap, have any of you naysayers even tried them yet?

Nope and have absolutely ZERO intentions too.

 

[Dub]

are we so far advanced that the manufacturers cannot please us?

 

[jwink]

Smells like snake oil. I'll wait and let others try first. Aren't these the same guys that make plastic tipped bullets that go so fast they melt. Hard to take seriously.

 

[Bc'z]

are we so far advanced that the manufacturers cannot please us?

It's not that they cant please us.
I do shoot 143 eldx, 55 & 60 gr vmax, and I'm working with 123gr amax.
But seriously $75 a 100 bullets.
I understand the ELR guys spend
bookoo $'s on thier heavey caliber bullets but 135gr A tips for $750 a 1000 makes a box of 136gr scenar L look cheap at half the money. And from my experience you can just about get away with not sorting the scenars.
So you see IMO it's about dollars and cents....
Whole lotta dollars dont make no sense!

 

[cmillard]

I would have to agree that I wish Hornady would list some recommended twist rates for the bullets after they did their testing.

 

[Milo 2.0]

 

[JimT]

This thread is a good example of what ensues when a manufacturer has 'smoked' their credibility.

Actually, this thread is a good example of when a bunch of underachievers find their voice, I suspect.

 

[riflewoman]

And we have ten pages of it too!

 

[JimT]

And we have ten pages of it too!

Misery loves company!

 

[Bc'z]

Misery would be spending that much loot just to send it into a dirt bank!

 

[cmillard]

I think people are asking for and expecting too much out of bullet makers. They only want bullets that work in their barrel twist and anything out of “their” norm is useless. Also, people want the Lamborghini but expect a mustang price tag. What we have been seeing the Last couple years are what I call bullet wars. Bullets are getting longer and more slippery to appeal to shooters looking for the competitive edge as well as the new shooting disciplines coming around. Like most new product lines, costs are high to offset the initial costs and most times (not always) prices will settle down a bit.

 

[Someoldguy]

Actually, this thread is a good example of when a bunch of underachievers find their voice, I suspect.

Well now, this would be very disconcerting if I placed any particular value upon your opinion, but since I do not, pardon me if I relagate your reply to the 'white noise' file.

 

[GrocMax]

Of course the announcement that would make me squeal with glee would be a heavy .20 cal V-Max. Heck, a guy can dream can’t he?

45g-47g .325+ G1 BC I'll hell yeah on that.

 

[FrankG]

Where do ya start?

Price/costs or should I say what are you willing to pay? That’s up to each individual I’d say. If you shoot the bullets and they give you what you expect/perform and you like them and they give you an edge and or more confidence. Price won’t be a concern as much.

Just like in any other types of sports....as the saying goes and my buddy Dave uses it all the time, “Cost money to go fast”

Also if you are a shooter who buy’s tipping dies to close up the tips on a bullet and spends the time to uniform and tip the bullet etc...and o.k. I get it you only pay .35 a bullet but do you factor in your time to uniform them and or sort by weight. Time costs money. What and how you value your time is up to each individual. I’ll tip my hat to Sierra for they’re newer tipped bullets for out of the box bullets. They are doing a nice job on them with the tips.

That being said I’ll say us shooters in the U.S have it nice and we take a lot for granted. Shooters for example down in Australia bullets are hard to come by. Demand always seems to be high and qty. low. In some cases for Bergers they are or are close to paying a $1 bullet the way it is. So for those guys to load ammo, practice, go to local matches and they are trying to make a team to go and compete abroad think of what they spend. I’m not taking anything away from a U.S. shooter or a Canadian shooter or a European shooter but at times we have to somehow put this into perspective on what others have to pay and go thru.

I’d have to run some more numbers but if I recall correctly that 6mm/110 bullet needs a 1-7.7 twist min according to Hornady. According to my twist calc’s I’m getting around a 1-7.52 or a smidge faster. So that number from Hornady makes sense. The 6.5/135 they are saying 1-8.5 or faster and I know a 8 twist will work with no issues. 6.5/153 I know will fly in a 1-8. Me personally will spin them a little faster. The .30cal/230 if I recall correctly will run in a 1-10 and the 250’s they are saying 1-8.5 twist.

I’ve shot only a few of the 153’s and the first time out with them all I could do was smile! There was nothing to complain about. Hopefully I’ll get out to shoot in the next few days and shoot the 135’s as well but from what I’ve heard from a couple others that have shot them I’ve heard no complaints. One persons exact words on the 135’s and I’ll quote his email to me was “They are badass”.

Regardless if your a bullet maker, stock maker, action maker, scope or barrel maker. I feel all or at least some of these companies are pushing the envelope to make better products. Will every company make a product and or at a cost that everyone will like. No probably not. You will never please everyone.

 

[Peebles24]

At this price i hope they are much more consistent bullet to bullet than the eldm. The 140 eldm do work well in my rifle but they have about a 2 grain difference in 100 ct box. For double the price they better be tight tolerances. I wish they had 140 6.5s though, if they did i would at least try a box.

 

[hogpatrol]

Where do ya start?

Price/costs or should I say what are you willing to pay? That’s up to each individual I’d say. If you shoot the bullets and they give you what you expect/perform and you like them and they give you an edge and or more confidence. Price won’t be a concern as much.

Just like in any other types of sports....as the saying goes and my buddy Dave uses it all the time, “Cost money to go fast”

Also if you are a shooter who buy’s tipping dies to close up the tips on a bullet and spends the time to uniform and tip the bullet etc...and o.k. I get it you only pay .35 a bullet but do you factor in your time to uniform them and or sort by weight. Time costs money. What and how you value your time is up to each individual. I’ll tip my hat to Sierra for they’re newer tipped bullets for out of the box bullets. They are doing a nice job on them with the tips.

That being said I’ll say us shooters in the U.S have it nice and we take a lot for granted. Shooters for example down in Australia bullets are hard to come by. Demand always seems to be high and qty. low. In some cases for Bergers they are or are close to paying a $1 bullet the way it is. So for those guys to load ammo, practice, go to local matches and they are trying to make a team to go and compete abroad think of what they spend. I’m not taking anything away from a U.S. shooter or a Canadian shooter or a European shooter but at times we have to somehow put this into perspective on what others have to pay and go thru.

I’d have to run some more numbers but if I recall correctly that 6mm/110 bullet needs a 1-7.7 twist min according to Hornady. According to my twist calc’s I’m getting around a 1-7.52 or a smidge faster. So that number from Hornady makes sense. The 6.5/135 they are saying 1-8.5 or faster and I know a 8 twist will work with no issues. 6.5/153 I know will fly in a 1-8. Me personally will spin them a little faster. The .30cal/230 if I recall correctly will run in a 1-10 and the 250’s they are saying 1-8.5 twist.

I’ve shot only a few of the 153’s and the first time out with them all I could do was smile! There was nothing to complain about. Hopefully I’ll get out to shoot in the next few days and shoot the 135’s as well but from what I’ve heard from a couple others that have shot them I’ve heard no complaints. One persons exact words on the 135’s and I’ll quote his email to me was “They are badass”.

Regardless if your a bullet maker, stock maker, action maker, scope or barrel maker. I feel all or at least some of these companies are pushing the envelope to make better products. Will every company make a product and or at a cost that everyone will like. No probably not. You will never please everyone.

Just curious, did you buy them or get them for free?

 

[dgeesaman]

Holy crap, have any of you naysayers even tried them yet?

We're still waiting for Rosie Jones to weigh in.