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Hornady 6mm ARC "New" cartridge

OK. But why is Hornady advertising 2750fps?

They not only used 24" barrels for testing, from what I can glean from news releases and reports the first rifles to be delivered will be used in a specialized roll and will have longer barrels.

The concept makes good sense, a low pressure cartridge with a long per caliber bullet that can be fired accurately and repeatedly at ranges exceeding the standard 5.56 NATO cartridge from the M4 and M16. These were the reasons for the military specification in the first place.

It remains to be seen if the cartridge will make it into an M4 configuration. If it does it remains to be seen if it will have the lethality of the 5.56 NATO or just punch 24 caliber holes straight through.
 
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This comes from: https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/new-from-hornady-6mm-arc/376909
 
I will believe it when I see data.

If they didn't have the pressure the military wouldn't have accepted the cartridge. The pressure is a main aspect of the requirement it is for the purpose of insuring longer rifle life under rapid fire combat conditions.

The military has been seeing reduced life in their M4 and M16 platforms since they have increased the NATO 5.56 x 45 pressure specification, now at 62,500 PSI.

This in my opinion is an attempt to kill 3 birds with one stone, increase accurate and lethal range beyond the M855A1 cartridge, increase rifle life and find a single cartridge replacement for the M855A1 cartridge.
 
So, my posts arent pure internet keyboard jocky stuff.

I am very intimate with the 6AR. Love the round... burn about 1000 a year in competition. Have several reamers in the 6AR profile.

But, common 6mmAR problems as I mentioned earlier:

1. Magazines - few work well - due to case taper, I make my own 20 rounder. Plastic mags = no go.
2. Feeding - Long slender 6mm bullets dont feed well, especially big fat short brass cases in poorly adapted .223 mags.
3. Headspace - too much is a problem, see #5. Hornady traditionally makes their Grendel ammo very short.
4. Type 1 and type 2 bolts - .010" difference - still causes confusion in the AR crowd after all these years.
5. Bolt durability - ouch! Broke em all. Now just replace the bolt new every 750 rounds.
6. Primers - pierced and ejected primers - had that even with factory 6.5 Grendel ammo. Flat primers in 6mmAR using Lapua and Hornady Grendel Brass is standard.


That is quite a list of negatives! Presumably, the ARC will also suffer some of them in factory form and others with incautious handloading. I think I'd give it a miss in an AR / MSR.

However as our freedom loving / trust-the-people (not) legislators (in the UK) don't allow us to have semi-auto centrefires that's a moot point to us Brits. Having taken a real shine to the 6.5 Grendel in small action bolt rifles though, the ARC potentially appeals to me a lot in this format especially if Lapua Grendel brass can be easily reformed to ARC dimensions. I'm assuming a one-shot sizer pass and trim job.

I wonder if we'll see CZ, Howa and Savage offer this chambering alongside the Grendel in the 'Mini', Cz527 etc as they and other manufacturers have done recently with the 6mm version of the Creedmoor alongside the original 6.5mm in their bigger short-action models. (I gather Hornady already includes Howa on its list of rifle builders and manufacturers as being on board with the cartridge.)
 
Thanks Laurie,

Occasionally, I think about building a 600 yd target bolt gun in 6AR, but then I go and shoot my 6BR, 6x47, 6.5x47 and the idea is extinguished.

Then I think...I should build one for hunting, but then I go hunting with my 16" 6.5 Grendel suppressed AR-15 (using Hornady 123 SST box ammo), and it is a absolute hammer on everything from crows, to hogs and deer. The .270 Win is always on standby also.

The 6ARC has much to offer over a 223 Rem. But, for the public, it has stiff competition from other production cartridges like the .243 Win.

So, for those with semi auto restrictions, a light bolt rifle in 6ARC really does makes sense. Excellent accuracy, good energy for medium range hunting, low recoil, and reasonably low cost. It would probably feed fine from a 5 round internal mag.

I can see buyers having both an AR - and a light bolt rifle, in the same 6ARC chambering, and having lots of fun with factory ammunition.

If you want more... buy a 6.5 Creed, if you want EVEN more... buy a 6.5 PRC.

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They can also use proprietary powder blends that reloaders don't have access to, to optimize the pressure curve and get more speed.

Correct, also Hornady and the powder manufacture have the facilities to test pressure and velocities in the standardized barrel in real time. Formulating each new lot of powder to present the optimum pressure curve. After reading how military ammo manufacturers produce their product I came to realize that to them the curve is everything and powder charge weights can and do vary tremendously between ammo lots.

I'm going to get one but I expect that for quite some time for optimum performance it may be a factory ammo rifle.
 
That is quite a list of negatives! Presumably, the ARC will also suffer some of them in factory form and others with incautious handloading. I think I'd give it a miss in an AR / MSR.

However as our freedom loving / trust-the-people (not) legislators (in the UK) don't allow us to have semi-auto centrefires that's a moot point to us Brits. Having taken a real shine to the 6.5 Grendel in small action bolt rifles though, the ARC potentially appeals to me a lot in this format especially if Lapua Grendel brass can be easily reformed to ARC dimensions. I'm assuming a one-shot sizer pass and trim job.

I wonder if we'll see CZ, Howa and Savage offer this chambering alongside the Grendel in the 'Mini', Cz527 etc as they and other manufacturers have done recently with the 6mm version of the Creedmoor alongside the original 6.5mm in their bigger short-action models. (I gather Hornady already includes Howa on its list of rifle builders and manufacturers as being on board with the cartridge.)

I may be missing the boat here but as I assess the cartridge potential and the military specifications I'm thinking we may be seeing another 30 Carbine scenario here.

What I mean is like the 30 Carbine the 6MM ARC rifle/cartridge is a match made in heaven but like the 30 Carbine cartridge it may not fit well in other platforms, God knows they've tried with the 30 Carbine cartridge to fit it into other things with IMO nearly zero success.

Yes Howa is on board to build.
 
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They can also use proprietary powder blends that reloaders don't have access to, to optimize the pressure curve and get more speed.

People are already loading for this and getting the stated velocities without issue. I'm just waiting on a few barrels to come in before I'm doing the same. I'll certainly report back once I can.
 
People are already loading for this and getting the stated velocities without issue. I'm just waiting on a few barrels to come in before I'm doing the same. I'll certainly report back once I can.

Please do I'm building one but need as much information as possible. In a self loader I don't see much more potential than Hornady promotes, then with such a small case I'm sceptical about any real gains in a bolt gun.
 
Please do I'm building one but need as much information as possible. In a self loader I don't see much more potential than Hornady promotes, then with such a small case I'm sceptical about any real gains in a bolt gun.
A bolt gun is where the big gains are realized. An ar15 max psi is 52000. A good bolt gun can be 65000 psi. Huge difference.
 
A bolt gun is where the big gains are realized. An ar15 max psi is 52000. A good bolt gun can be 65000 psi. Huge difference.

A 33 grain case capacity is small compared to 54 grain for the 6MM Remington which is a 65,000 PSI cartridge. I suspect that the 6MM ARC like other short magnums will do well with limited projectile weights but fall short compared to larger capacities.
 
A 33 grain case capacity is small compared to 54 grain for the 6MM Remington which is a 65,000 PSI cartridge. I suspect that the 6MM ARC like other short magnums will do well with limited projectile weights but fall short compared to larger capacities.
I wouldn't disagree with that. My experience is with a straight 6 Grendel shooting 65-80 gr bullets in short range benchrest. In that role, the cartridge has served me quite well. Speeds and accuracy are very impressive in a bolt gun. I'm currently running 80's at 3350 and 68s at over 3500. The case seems right at home with those weights and speeds but they are welll above the 52000psi limits set for the gas guns that the ARC seems to be geared toward and I wouldn't be surprised if not above the 65000 psi mentioned, too.

The case is extremely efficient and shines at higher pressures than saami has set for it. At some point, we have to set our own guidelines for what is safe when dealing with wildcats. No different with the ARC except saami has set limits for ammo/gun makers, but they are weak because of the platform being targeted for it.

Some manuals give 223 service rifle data separate from bolt gun data, much for this reason.
 
A 33 grain case capacity is small compared to 54 grain for the 6MM Remington which is a 65,000 PSI cartridge. I suspect that the 6MM ARC like other short magnums will do well with limited projectile weights but fall short compared to larger capacities.

You're confusing pressures and performance. A huge capacity case cartridge may be limited to under 40,000 psi whilst one with a fraction of its physical capacity is rated at 65,000 psi. The determining factor on setting pressure ceilings isn't case capacity rather case and/or firearm construction and strength.

We've long had cartridges with a duality of acceptable pressures. Initially, it was solely down to the cartridges being designed for weak 19th century actions. The classic example is 45-70 Govt with three pressure determined sets of load tables in manuals according to action type - Trapdoor; M1886 lever-action; Ruger No.1 / Siamese Mauser. The 19th century Mausers are similar with SAAMI having set modest pressure ceilings for US loadings to suit M1888/91 and M1893-96 military actions, but where today's handloaders (and European ammunition manufacturers too for that matter) routinely load them to c.60,000 psi pressures for modern rifles. 6.5X55, 7X57mm etc.

In more recent times, the phenomenon hasn't so much reappeared (because it's never gone away) but is becoming increasingly common principally due to people designing an ever wider range of new cartridges for the AR-15 platform and the increasing practice of using three case-head diameters with a standard size AR-15 bolt, with the case-head dia. affecting lug thickness and thrust back on the bolt face. The bigger the case-head the lower the pressure that the AR-15 can take hence the Grendel and ARC with their 0.440" dia. heads being SAAMI limited to MAPs of 50,000 and 52,000 psi respectively. As @gunsandgunsmithing says though, that's a firearm inspired limitation, nothing to do with brass or case strength and boltguns designed to handle 60,000 or higher pressure cartridges cope equally well with the Grendel size case-head, in fact arguably better compared to the next size up, the Mauser / 30-06 / 308 etc 0.473" dia. design.

What case size does affect is how much energy can be packed in behind the bullet at an acceptable MAP. This in turn directly affects performance as measured by MV and ME, but not in a linear fashion. On performance variations arising from case capacity / charge weight factors, there is a simple and usually very accurate rule of thumb. If all other factors (barrel length, peak pressure, bullet calibre and weight etc) are equal, then the % change in case capacity sees a % change in MV of a quarter of the capacity change. Using your capacity values, the 6mm Rem's 54gn capacity is 21gn or 63.64% greater than the ARC's 33gn, so at the same pressures will see an ~ 16% increase in ME all other things being equal. So if the ARC gives a particular 6mm bullet 2,800 fps in a say 24-inch barrel, you'd expect approx 16% higher MVs from the 64% larger 6mm Rem, in this case ~3,250 fps also from a 24-inch barrel. That won't of course apply to the SAAMI ARC loading or handloads for AR-15s as they're firearm limited to a lower pressure.

In terms of ft/lb ME per grain weight of powder that makes the ARC a much more efficient machine than 243 Win, 6mm Rem or Creedmoor and similar as @gunsandgunsmithing says when loading for boltguns. The '25% rule' only applies too to designs that are reasonably efficient, that is not too small a case to be unable to hold enough powder to achieve peak pressure and at the other end not so over bore capacity that huge charge increments only produce small MV gains.

The growing popularity of the AR-15 platform for civilian range use and hunting aside, what has changed the playing field on this issue is modern propellant technology and the huge range of powder types, burning rates and specific density/energy levels now on offer. A generation or two back the ARC and Grendel would likely have been relatively poor performers simply because the available powders would have seen the case over-full long before peak pressures were achieved. I've no experience of the ARC or Grendel based 6mm wildcats, but a fair to middling bit with its bigger 6.5mm Grendel brother and powder selection is key. There are many suitable grades available though - Viht N133, Ramshot Tac, Accurate-2520, IMR-8208 XBR, Hodgdon CFE-223 and others - that pack enough energy into the little case to achieve good results.
 

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