Hickory Groundhog Shoot

[rebel]

Here is a shot of 1st and 2cd place targets and shooters.

Just great shooting!

 

[6BRAIman]

I like the new rule changes and I don't think there should be any practicing at the range the week before.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Whats the format? Score only? Thanks

 

[stacy]

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE NEXT YEAR MATCH !!

 

[stacy]

Whats the format? Score only? Thanks

YEA SCORE ONLY CUT THE LINE YOU SCORE DOWN A POINT

 

[Coleridge]

I like the new rule changes and I don't think there should be any practicing at the range the week before.

Why???

I live a pretty good ways away (never get up through the week either) but some guys that don't have a place or opportunity to ever shoot much at that distance, it is a big perk to them. And I think aweful kind of Larry to offer/allow. It's open to anyone, that's fair as it gets.

As far as one entry, for individual and or gun once. Yeah, that will be a lot more fair across the board; but... It will also decrease the match tremendously. I always shot in custom and factory. Most times a buddies gun as well. Some guys shoot 4, even 5 rifles. Single entry will cut profits near half. This past year there where something like 257 entries this past year. Cutting out multiple guns will bring enties closer to 100. If you where a sponser, had you rather donate to a 250 entry match or a 100 entry match. If you where receiving profits, which works better???

Larry said next year would be preparation for the 40th annual (2 years away). And if you have attended several years, you know milestone anniversaries bring out weird/funny changes/rules. I would expect most rules to return -as usual- after that.

 

[rebel]

Why???

I live a pretty good ways away (never get up through the week either) but some guys that don't have a place or opportunity to ever shoot much at that distance, it is a big perk to them. And I think aweful kind of Larry to offer/allow. It's open to anyone, that's fair as it gets.

As far as one entry, for individual and or gun once. Yeah, that will be a lot more fair across the board; but... It will also decrease the match tremendously. I always shot in custom and factory. Most times a buddies gun as well. Some guys shoot 4, even 5 rifles. Single entry will cut profits near half. This past year there where something like 257 entries this past year. Cutting out multiple guns will bring enties closer to 100. If you where a sponser, had you rather donate to a 250 entry match or a 100 entry match. If you where receiving profits, which works better???

Larry said next year would be preparation for the 40th annual (2 years away). And if you have attended several years, you know milestone anniversaries bring out weird/funny changes/rules. I would expect most rules to return -as usual- after that.

I've been involved with this for a little while. It is harder every year to get sponsors. Bullseye sent out over 450 e-mails and made almost 100 phone calls this year alone. It's tough to do. The match as it is has turned away from a groundhog match and turned into a prone BR match. I have no problem with someone feilding a $7000 rifle. Letting your 4 buddies shoot it first to give you all the input gives a huge advantage over the lone wolf. Maybe, once word gets around, we will have even more shooters bringing their factory guns and at least trying. Not trying to argue with you at all, just giving you a lot of the input we have had down the years. 30 minutes is plenty of time to confirm dope and a line had to be drawn somewhere to make it fair.

 

[Coleridge]

I've been involved with this for a little while. It is harder every year to get sponsors. Bullseye sent out over 450 e-mails and made almost 100 phone calls this year alone. It's tough to do. The match as it is has turned away from a groundhog match and turned into a prone BR match. I have no problem with someone feilding a $7000 rifle. Letting your 4 buddies shoot it first to give you all the input gives a huge advantage over the lone wolf. Maybe, once word gets around, we will have even more shooters bringing their factory guns and at least trying. Not trying to argue with you at all, just giving you a lot of the input we have had down the years. 30 minutes is plenty of time to confirm dope and a line had to be drawn somewhere to make it fair.

I have no problem at all with new rules. I kinda like them other than I won't be able to shoot a factory gun as well. But totally understand how it puts everything more fair. And iI totally agree with all you saids.. sa will definitely be interesting next couple years.

However, I was just giving a perspective of of why and how things are likely to change. It will be a huge diminish in entries... Something sponsors look at. Thanks for driving my point home. I also agree with all else you said.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Any pics and info on the factory winner?

 

[Coleridge]

So you guys shoot the same target and just move it back for each yardage or you shoot different targets at each yardage?

Yes,
They tape over holes on back on back of target so new ones are obvious (targets are brought in and scored each yardage). If they can't make out 3 new holes, you don't the points for bullets they can't see (don't claim 2 is in EXACTLY same hole).

Scores (at every range), head totally in white 15pts, cut into the black line it's 9pt, then -1pt each line out. The belly: 10pts all inside the white, cut the line and it's 7pts, then -1pt each line out. All worst edge scoring. If black body only, it counts 1pt.

Most shot head at 100 then belly 3&5. But, if you are good enough, or lucky enough, to hit all white head at any range, it's 15pts, same as others

 

[Coleridge]

Any pics and info on the factory winner?

Factory gun was LRPV Savage 6BR 1-12 twist (bought here used) shooting 80gr Berger's. This is 4th year that rifle has won factory (not continuously though).

 

[rebel]

Any pics and info on the factory winner?

Scroll up Alex. I posted !st and 2cd place pics earlier with targets.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I assumed those were custom class 1st and 2nd???

 

[Coleridge]

I assumed those were custom class 1st and 2nd???

It was, however, I can likely post pics of 1st place factory target tomorrow if interest.

 

[rebel]

I have the total results at the shop today. Will take a pic and try and make it readable for here. Already some BS going around about new rules - like shooting custom off of bull bags
No, that ain't happenin'. New rules have been posted above. If you call the store with questions and I am busy I'll take your number and call you back or pm you here.

 

[JamesnTN]

1- 30 minutes (maximum) of range time per person before the match (sign in-sign out through the week before)
2- Gun can only shoot once in the match, person can only shoot once in the match (no two people can sit on the same gun - see rule 4)
3-First 8 relay are drawn for shooting order
4-(only exception is for rule 2) Youth 13 & under may use any gun (shot in match or not)
5-Match fee $35; youth (13 & under) $15
6-Ranges will be around 100,300,500 yards (maybe not in that particular order)

Thanks for this new rule change. I personally quit attending when a single shooter were up against a team of shooters shooting the same rifle. Now this has changed I’ll come and join again.
Is this 30minute sight in period per gun say factory an custom or a total added together? Or am I understanding we can only shoot 1 gun period the entire shoot?

 

[rebel]

As Larry has it now, one gun period.

 

[JamesnTN]

As Larry has it now, one gun period.

Thanks,
That’ll make it so much more fair. I’d like to see though maybe allow custom and a factory rifle only but that be it. But either way I’m good with going back to the jest Of what the groundhog shoot was about.

 

[GaryL1959]

Thanks,
That’ll make it so much more fair. I’d like to see though maybe allow custom and a factory rifle only but that be it. But either way I’m good with going back to the jest Of what the groundhog shoot was about.

Good deal all the way around as far as I'm concerned. Yes, it will (probably) lower the total number of guns to the line, yes, it will eliminate the "gaming", as in 4 or 5 shooters a relay apart doping one certain rifle, and yes, the new rules will pizz some people off. So be it. Hopefully, word will get around about this great match, and as Rebel said, we'll have more guys showing up with their "real" groundhog rifles to shoot the match.
I'd love to see a box stock, bought off the shelf, rifle of some sort win the overall match!

 

[Coleridge]

This is factory winner & target.