Help to positively Id this rifle

[pitbull]

Like the title says I don't absolutely know what it is

 

[NZ_Fclass]

P1917? Nice looking rifle. What calibre?

 

[msalm]

Definitely an Enfield, don’t know enough about them to say P17 or Model 1917. Looks sporterized with the ears ground off and the duck pond filled in.

 

[shortgrass]

US Model 1917. The bolt handle and safety give it away as an Enfield design. Wouldn't be stamped U.S. if it was a Pattern (P) 1914 rifle. The "W" makes it presumably made by Winchester. Never have seen one marked like this one, though.

 

[pitbull]

P1917? Nice looking rifle. What calibre?

30-06

 

[longbow59]

Maybe a Remington Model 30A

 

[Fast14riot]

Sadly, that is a very early Winchester 1917 that's been sporterized, serials below ~5000 were stamped like that. Yours was made in August 1917. It has had the sight ears ground off, "duck pond" filled, belly straightened. Check the underside of the bolt handle and other small parts for W stamps so you know if its all Winchester. The Timney triggers are nice upgrades for them. I have an Eddystone sporter that is my hunting rifle.

 

[pitbull]

Sadly, that is a very early Winchester 1917 that's been sporterized, serials below ~5000 were stamped like that. Yours was made in August 1917. It has had the sight ears ground off, "duck pond" filled, belly straightened. Check the underside of the bolt handle and other small parts for W stamps so you know if its all Winchester. The Timney triggers are nice upgrades for them. I have an Eddystone sporter that is my hunting rifle.

Why do you say sadly ? Just wondering

 

[mike mccormick]

Guessing because an early one in unmolested condition would be highly collectable

Why do you say sadly ? Just wondering

 

[ogre1911]

Alvin York's rifle. These are great

 

[pitbull]

Guessing because an early one in unmolested condition would be highly collectable

Gotcha

 

[Fast14riot]

Guessing because an early one in unmolested condition would be highly collectable

Exactly. That rifle may have seen action in The Great War. Any 1917 in original trim is getting harder to find.

Fortunately, they make fine rifles and are probably the strongest actions of all milsurp rifles. Lots of heavy hitters were made on 1917s. African game cartridge heavy hitters.

 

[Fast14riot]

Here is my Eddystone 1917 hunting rifle. It was already sporterized when I got it, I just updated it. New barrel, trigger, stock, scope base, etm...

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Guessing because an early one in unmolested condition would be highly collectable

1917's are a bit rarer down here - as are unmolested 1914's in 303. British. having said that, I picked up a nice -ish one ( ERA) recently for not tooo much money. I also have a really pretty P14 sporter, molested by BSA, also 303, of course, with period scope and mounts.

We still have a .303 shoot at our Nationals. The P14 is still considered better than the Lee Enfield No4- some have replacement tubes from Criterion. Not for me though - I can't see through those PH sights!

 

[Fast14riot]

@pitbull Are there any markings near the muzzle? Original barrel length is 26". Would have the flaming bomb arsenal stamp and 2 digit year code stamped if it hasn't been cut down, though it looks a little short.

 

[Fast14riot]

1917's are a bit rarer down here - as are unmolested 1914's in 303. British. having said that, I picked up a nice -ish one ( ERA) recently for not tooo much money. I also have a really pretty P14 sporter, molested by BSA, also 303, of course, with period scope and mounts.

We still have a .303 shoot at our Nationals. The P14 is still considered better than the Lee Enfield No4- some have replacement tubes from Criterion. Not for me though - I can't see through those PH sights!

I've seen a few 17's converted to 14 style flat breach for simplicity to avoid the extractor cut. Mine is still cone breach and feeds beautifully. Heavy SOB, but built like a tank and incredibly reliable. I have also converted mine to cock on open which reduced pin fall from about 12mm to about 7mm.

 

[pitbull]

@pitbull Are there any markings near the muzzle? Original barrel length is 26". Would have the flaming bomb arsenal stamp and 2 digit year code stamped if it hasn't been cut down, though it looks a little short.

No it's not cut down my uncle took the sights off there here somewhere.

 

[Bill Score]

You should sell it…. to me….. cheap.

 

[butchlambert]

My molested 1917.





Photos send by Butch to Forum Boss. We are Still trying to find out why he has a posting issue -- probably an internet connection snag.

 

[mauser284]

That is a 1917 that is what Audy Murphy actual used not the Springfiold 1903 they always show him with in movies and in pictures!

Didn't Weatherby use some of these for his early builds as well. I know in early 1990's I think Kimber was still selling sporterized P1917's I think someone was I saw them for sale for years in Gun Buyers Anual magazine release.