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Help a newbie (as in "completely ignorant to precision shooting" newbie)

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1.5'' at 500 meters for a factory gun is outstanding, not mediocre. Hell, if you can do that reliably you should be in the running for a lot of br matches. Our range is limited and we shoot a 475 yd br match. 1.5'' would beat a lot of high dollar rigs. 1.489 won last month. There must not be wind or mirage in Iceland.
 
Dansig,
1.5" group at 500 meters? Consistently? Sounds like a tavern tale. Come on over to the USA where the mid range F-class national record is currently 200-18X. Your claim of 1.5" at 500 meters should be easy-peasy. The 600 yard F-class target is .5 MOA (3"). Hell, you could do that without even trying. Shoot a 200-20X with your rifle as you claim you can and I will buy you a beer and shake your hand while congratulating you. Otherwise, find somewhere else to tell your stories of shooting skills.
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If your carbine shoots its best with handloads, I would put a good trigger on your rifle and stop right there.....and get started handloading. Shooting an inch with your setup is not to be sneezed at. A carbine in a field configured rifle, and as such, it is doing just fine, with the right ammo, and so are you. The trigger will help a lot, and with that, consistently good ammo, and practice, I think that you should concentrate on producing consistent results.

I have a friend who has a fancy 6.5 Grendal (sp?) with all the bells and whistles. He is a good shot with his bolt actions, most of which have aftermarket barrels, special chambers, and which are loaded for as carefully as is possible. BUT he has had his comeuppance from the AR. It has required that he take an entirely different approach to gun handling to get it to perform.

At first, he thought that it was an equipment issue, combined with finding the magic load. What it has turned out to be is that these rifles are a lot more challenging to shoot small with, even off of the bench, than any of his other rifles. Once he got it through his head that he needed to do what was required for THAT rifle, and not try to shoot it like one of his bolt rifles, he has been able to see some consistent performance.

We tend to focus on equipment, and for rifles that are easy to shoot, shot off of good rests, and benches,there is some justification for this approach, but the rifle that you have is much more demanding. Feed it the good stuff, fit it with a top quality trigger, and practice a lot, thinking about what has worked the best, not just going bang.
 
zfastmalibu said:
1.5'' at 500 meters for a factory gun is outstanding, not mediocre. Hell, if you can do that reliably you should be in the running for a lot of br matches. Our range is limited and we shoot a 475 yd br match. 1.5'' would beat a lot of high dollar rigs. 1.489 won last month. There must not be wind or mirage in Iceland.


we do have plenty wind, but also days without wind :) and mirage isn't a problem here except for a very few days each summer.

the range I shoot at has windstoppers on both side of the range so wind on the range is minimal.

I am on my way to my first BR match, I've only competed in hunter class so far but I won that :)
 
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