The reason I posted that video link is because the speaker and the authoritative organizations he is speaking for are respected in the mainstream hunting community. That video was vetted by untold numbers of ethical hunters not a bunch of keyboard jockeys sitting in the basement in their underwear. I agree with what he says.
Head shooting deer?
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The reason I posted that video link is because the speaker and the authoritative organizations he is speaking for are respected in the mainstream hunting community. That video was vetted by untold numbers of ethical hunters not a bunch of keyboard jockeys sitting in the basement in their underwear. I agree with what he says.
That is true but 99% is far better than most hunters can pull off. The way you are throwing "ethics" out there you are a "you better to it the way I say" type of hunter. Up here in ND these are the guys who tell me I am a horrible person for long range hunting while they were road hunters. You know the type who only walks from the pickup to the deer.
I do not respect that organization at all. They are a do it the way we say and no other way. And looking at their ideas they are not pro firearms either.
The "reasonable" distance is always funny to me. Just because where you hunt 100yds is a long distance does not mean it is long for everyone. Up here there are areas where you can see farther than a m198 can shoot.
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Someoldguy
Nice to see you don't make any assumptions about people you've never met.
As you said earlier, 'That's what I thought.'
Jim, it seems that you need to make a derogatory comment about those who don't believe that what you post is THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH and THE ONLY WAY IT SHOULD BE. Does it help your argument by doing so? Does it make you feel good? How can you justify making the comments that you have? Look back to your posts and tell me how your derogatory comments helped your argument in any way at all.
Mind you that this comes from a fossil that started hunting deer from the ground with a 66" Colt Arrowmaster in '66 using cedar arrows and green Bear broadheads
Tagged one with antlers my first day in the woods with a bow (and shotgun), but spent many days trying to figure out the deer on a piece of property my father had bought that spring.
Have always subscribed to "the largest, highest percentage kill zone" shot available when hunting and that goes for bear, mulies, elk and moose. They all seem to expire in short order with a solid double-pneumothorax hit. Luckily, I have never been in a situation where I had to be concerned about a lost animal due to terrain, land borders, other hunters or anything else when I religiously executed a perfect shot to take out both bellows. The animals never went very far at all....in fact, none have ever made it 100yds and that is acceptable.
The exception to the above is when I was culling deer in urban areas. You simply cannot allow an animal to escape the bait site to do a crappie-flop on Martha's driveway. Locals tend to talk about that kind of thing and it might hit the newspapers. But, one must understand that these are also very controlled conditions and you have beau coup time to execute a textbook, picture perfect, center-brain shot. Unlike a wild hunting situation, you don't have animals wound up like a mainspring and coming into the kill site with their radar set to maximum intensity. You are in a hide, with a steady-rest, firing at danger-close distances and you can pick your shots if you are patient.
My marksmanship abilities are "adequate" and I am hardly world-champion caliber. But, I have experience, discipline, the ability to visualize the exact center of the brain pan and I "never" take a shot that I am not absolutely 110% certain of producing an instant kill. There is no rush....
Even at that, I have never found a need to take a brain shot when hunting.
Tagged one with antlers my first day in the woods with a bow (and shotgun), but spent many days trying to figure out the deer on a piece of property my father had bought that spring. Have always subscribed to "the largest, highest percentage kill zone" shot available when hunting and that goes for bear, mulies, elk and moose. They all seem to expire in short order with a solid double-pneumothorax hit. Luckily, I have never been in a situation where I had to be concerned about a lost animal due to terrain, land borders, other hunters or anything else when I religiously executed a perfect shot to take out both bellows. The animals never went very far at all....in fact, none have ever made it 100yds and that is acceptable.
The exception to the above is when I was culling deer in urban areas. You simply cannot allow an animal to escape the bait site to do a crappie-flop on Martha's driveway. Locals tend to talk about that kind of thing and it might hit the newspapers. But, one must understand that these are also very controlled conditions and you have beau coup time to execute a textbook, picture perfect, center-brain shot. Unlike a wild hunting situation, you don't have animals wound up like a mainspring and coming into the kill site with their radar set to maximum intensity. You are in a hide, with a steady-rest, firing at danger-close distances and you can pick your shots if you are patient.
My marksmanship abilities are "adequate" and I am hardly world-champion caliber. But, I have experience, discipline, the ability to visualize the exact center of the brain pan and I "never" take a shot that I am not absolutely 110% certain of producing an instant kill. There is no rush....
Even at that, I have never found a need to take a brain shot when hunting.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
I guess according to jim,,me shooting pigs at 23 yards with a 308 and laser dead in the head would be UNETHICAL , maybe he can go out there and scratch there head,,
You should never do that! It requires a closed casket funeral and is thus unethical.
I wonder if these guys over the past year felt anything in their eye. Could probably have used some
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pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
PERFECTOYou should never do that! It requires a closed casket funeral and is thus unethical.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
the only to take out a ZOMBIE is a headshot
I like to snert hogs too, just different hogs from those traditionals up north.
This three year old thread is getting better. May have to put up a hog photo tomorrow.
Bring em, expose the world to painless harvesting
Some from the last phone
It was looking at me dead on. Some would say that shooting it in its nose will just injure his teeth and the bullet wont keep going on through. Nope. It went straight in, came out the base of its skull.
This one he was actually really close, 30 yards, and looked up straight at me in the blind window 12' in the air. Went in straight dead on the nose and down inside his neck. Blew the whole roof of his mouth open as it continued on down the line shattering vertebrae. Just like a neck shot it ruined some good meat.
Shoot the tip of his nose when hes looking perpendicular though and youre not a proficient enough shot to be shooting an animal. You wont (and havent) get any argument from me on that.
The guy before asked me "What distance do you take out there eye from ?" before editing it to a chuck norris meme. Any distance inside of 200 when I feel I have an adequate foundation to shoot from.
We dont have to limit it to just deer and hogs though
This one was walking towards me at a 30° angle, stopped to look back and it lined both his head AND boiler room up in doing so. It went in the head on the opposite side, came out its head there and then went into its chest. You can see where it was outside and skimmed off some hair for that brief period it was outside again. Boiler room hunters cant complain here
Everything has the right to a a humane death.
Im sure ethical hunters will have a field day for letting a dog go after its natural prey (even though we let it live with just a bloody ear for its trouble)
However I still maintain that bow hunting and boiler room shots are the cruelest ever.
Had him inverted, skinned all down and on opening the body cavity the guts didnt just flop out, they pivoted out like a hinged door and gut tissue was already pierced... stinky. To my surprise I found this lovely most-of-an-arrow. Im sure most bow hunters would have called it a perfect shot to the boiler room. Well the ranch only gets hunted on weekends and no one was bowhunting on our weekend. So my reasons says that this guy ran around for a week at least with an arrow in him from another group. The whole shoulder thats cut away was infected looking, yellowy green puss.
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You must to have had your head shooting coach with you. Sweet
I will second that. And what's even worse, bowhunters are continuing to push out their shots further and further. I feel that the industry is at fault there because they keep saying that thier super-duper product is so much better than anything else before it. Here is a pic of a bow that a new hunter could buy. Do you think that this hunter is going to think that the limit is 30-40 yards?
And from the REALTREE website:
Are Long-Range Bowhunting Shots Ethical?
BY PATRICK MEITINMAY 25, 2017
What's Your Maximum Range?
"I know an outdoor television personality who regularly bow-shoots – according to him at least – animals at 125 to 150 yards. And here I thought I was something for making full use of seven-pin compound-bow sights and grouping arrows acceptably (during backyard practice) out to 80 yards. It also struck me during a 2009 Archery Trade Association Show event – the "Rage 100 Long-Range Broadhead Shoot" (or some such) – how some of the best bowhunters/shooters in the world could keep dang few arrows in the big 8-inch yellow FITA bull's-eye at 100 measured yards. Even the top two shooters had arrows in the red, out of five shots, during the final shootout.
I also made certain observations during 23 years of guiding bowhunters for trophy elk in New Mexico's Gila region. There were certainly occasional hotshots who could back out to, say, 90 yards, and still stack them into foam vitals (normally missing a live bull broadside in the open at 35 yards later that week), but for the most part, the majority of the bowhunters we hosted were hard-pressed to assemble a decent group at 40 yards.
I'm not saying longer shots aren't possible, or should never be taken. I certainly don't adhere to what Chuck Adams labels the "Ethics of Mediocracy" many wish to impose – only 20-yard, broadside shots allowed to be discussed in mixed company. I've worked very hard to extend my maximum effective range and understand modern compound bows, fine-tuned accessories and space-age carbon arrows make this easier all the time. I'm regularly forced to shave 20 yards from published kill yardages to avoid hate mail from those mentioned above.
But 150 yards? Really? I've always believed getting close is what bowhunting is all about. But that's just me – the dummy who still regularly goes afield with recurve bows. I'm still most impressed by tales of getting "close enough to hit 'em with a rock." Bragging about 100-plus-yard shots, to me at least, is an admission of bowhunting defeat, not triumph."
Really? A TV personality telling all these new hunters that 125-150 yard shots are acceptable??? Hunting ethics for bowhunters have gone way past the abilities of the average bowhunter, and the above-average bowhunter is still beyond thinking about the animal that he's shooting at beyond 50 yards!
@spife7980 I am in total agreeance. I refrain from digression but will say that to argue against a head shot in favor or a "heart" shot when you know you capabilities is pretty ridiculous and most likely going to be backed up with a flawed argument. Maybe 1 or 2 good points but certainly not enough to sway me away from thinking head shots are more humane. I'd be more worried about wounding and making an animal suffer at my fault when shooting my bow at the heart on an elk at 30 yards given the speed of the arrow, maneuvering of elk, chance for deflection, etc then I would be with my 270 shooting 140grains a decent amount over 3000fps and pointed at it's head at 200 yards.
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