He don't reload
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lh leggtowner
Silver $$ Contributor
Ok guys and gals. I looked back to make sure I didn't state wrong. He wants to hunt with this rifle AND shoot 800 yards if he wants too. Not hunt 800 yards. I may have not said that right at the first and I apologize.
This is a pretty good ol boy and he just thought that he would like a custom rifle built like he wants. He knows how to shoot and a rather descent shot with what he has got to work with. It's not some way for him to be pompas and show off.
I have seen some VERY GOOD ideas and I have passed them on. I and he thank you.
Y'all as I agree on most things. There is no magic pill. For every plus there is a minus. And for every minus a plus.
Once again there are many opinions but most are in the same direction.
Thanks a bunch and I hope you keep the constructive opinions coming. Thanks!
This is a pretty good ol boy and he just thought that he would like a custom rifle built like he wants. He knows how to shoot and a rather descent shot with what he has got to work with. It's not some way for him to be pompas and show off.
I have seen some VERY GOOD ideas and I have passed them on. I and he thank you.
Y'all as I agree on most things. There is no magic pill. For every plus there is a minus. And for every minus a plus.
Once again there are many opinions but most are in the same direction.
Thanks a bunch and I hope you keep the constructive opinions coming. Thanks!
So much tolerance for the infidel on this board.....
A moron is going to spend several thousand on his ultimate hunting rig, but is adamant about not handloading....
Nothing like pretentious fatheads who can't be shown The Way...
Idiot figures its the rifle that matters....
NOT Hardly!
All the good ol' boys roun here got the solutions tikka in 6.5x55 puhleeze.
"This is a pretty good ol boy and he just thought that he would like a custom rifle built like he wants. He knows how to shoot and a rather descent shot with what he has got to work with. It's not some way for him to be pompas and show off." Sure, if you say so.... Pompous, btw... although your sincerity sees it as pompass, even though he is your pal...
Might want to visit the local Wallyworld or Academy and see what they got in case lots.
Suppose if you took your load of choice to your gunsmith, he could order the reamer custom ground to work with 150/155gr bullets in .308win As the throat lengthened could move to 165 through 180gr till the barrel was shot out, about 10k rds down the road...
If Pompass Buddy wants a real shooter, Look at the 6mmAR and 6.5 Grendel. Lots of Grendel ammo out there, or there was and has been...
Being able to handload just means so much more capability. Anyone who dismisses a proven process before being informed on the subject is plainly an idiot.
A moron is going to spend several thousand on his ultimate hunting rig, but is adamant about not handloading....
Nothing like pretentious fatheads who can't be shown The Way...
Idiot figures its the rifle that matters....
NOT Hardly!
All the good ol' boys roun here got the solutions tikka in 6.5x55 puhleeze.
"This is a pretty good ol boy and he just thought that he would like a custom rifle built like he wants. He knows how to shoot and a rather descent shot with what he has got to work with. It's not some way for him to be pompas and show off." Sure, if you say so.... Pompous, btw... although your sincerity sees it as pompass, even though he is your pal...
Might want to visit the local Wallyworld or Academy and see what they got in case lots.
Suppose if you took your load of choice to your gunsmith, he could order the reamer custom ground to work with 150/155gr bullets in .308win As the throat lengthened could move to 165 through 180gr till the barrel was shot out, about 10k rds down the road...
If Pompass Buddy wants a real shooter, Look at the 6mmAR and 6.5 Grendel. Lots of Grendel ammo out there, or there was and has been...
Being able to handload just means so much more capability. Anyone who dismisses a proven process before being informed on the subject is plainly an idiot.
lh leggtowner
Silver $$ Contributor
Welp, I guess I am done. I have figured it out. By some of the folks on the post think he is an, idiot, pretentious,obtuse, and pompass. I find this amusing. You don't know the guy. Yet you keyboard cowboys are willing to throw words around without anything being constructive. To you folks that sent me useable information. Thanks. He has driven me crazy and it continues. We argued to the point that he called Nosler a couple days ago. Guess what... I was right. It takes a 26" barrel to make a 26 Nosler run. That is what they said, not me. So with this I say thanks folks and , we shall see how it turns out.
That's a very long list of conflicting requirements. I can see a light rifle for hunting for ease of carrying around but for long range shooting few care that it weighs a lot. If he's going to spend a lot of money in any event, there's no reason not to make two rifles:
If he's worried about the safety of reloading he could be taught safe procedures or given a simple recipe that works for his rifles and bullets. Not experimenting makes reloading a very safe procedure with just a few quality-control steps like examining the level of propellant in the case before seating, measuring and trimming brass frequently and using a safe method of cleaning and disposing of used components. Rifles tend to be messy. Cleaning them exposes one to about the same kind of contaminants that reloading does and reloading enables one to be sure what's in the cartridge. I've seen defective commercial ammunition rarely: split neck, and bullet in backwards. There are some beautiful and effective brands but mass-production eliminates some sources of error while introducing others. That's why from time there are recall notices. One of the reasons I reload is to be sure what goes into my ammunition.
- 308 Win or 7mm-08 for the short light hunting tool. These rounds are shorter so you get an extra bit of useful barrel out of the weight and they have all the power needed for deer to 350 yards or so with the right bullet and proper placement.
- 7mm Rem Mag or something similar in 6.5mm to .30 calibre for the long range shooting. Make it a heavier rifle because he will likely be leaning into it and practicing a lot and using heavy bullets and using heavier charges.
If he's worried about the safety of reloading he could be taught safe procedures or given a simple recipe that works for his rifles and bullets. Not experimenting makes reloading a very safe procedure with just a few quality-control steps like examining the level of propellant in the case before seating, measuring and trimming brass frequently and using a safe method of cleaning and disposing of used components. Rifles tend to be messy. Cleaning them exposes one to about the same kind of contaminants that reloading does and reloading enables one to be sure what's in the cartridge. I've seen defective commercial ammunition rarely: split neck, and bullet in backwards. There are some beautiful and effective brands but mass-production eliminates some sources of error while introducing others. That's why from time there are recall notices. One of the reasons I reload is to be sure what goes into my ammunition.
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
If he can afford to look at fancy rigs, he can probably afford to have someone work up a load and load for him. The caliber will depend on what he wants to hunt, and the availability of accurate bullets for the long range target work. The problem will be getting the needed velocity for long range work out of a 22" barrel. A friend has built some rifles on Proof Research carbon fiber wrapped barrels and found them to be accurate for hunting. I am not sure about using them for long shot strings on targets. With the weight savings that one would give you, I think that a longer barrel would not be much of a burden. Another friend has a couple of custom rifles with carbon fiber barrels that shoot very well. They also have carbon fiber stocks. Although their barrels make them look massive and heavy, when you pick one up for the first time you almost toss it in the air because it is so unexpectedly light.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
You guys are approaching this all wrong. You are trying to give the right answer for someone who knows that this is a rifle that cant be everything he is asking for.
First and foremost this poor uninformed person must be able to get ammo, and it needs to be available at a local brick and mortar. If it weren't for that I'd probably go with the 7-08 (I love the round) but with that requirement I'd go with the 270Win. (edit:the fact that there are umpteen dozen more options for bullets in a 284 based chambering doesn't matter because he's buying factory ammo)
All the other performance desires are dreamland, esp the 800 yards wish. Don't worry about the barrel length or insufficient burn time, ignore all the other performance stuff, every rifle mentioned here will kill game if you hit it, which will be his biggest problem. The 270 probably has just enough "je ne sais quoi" to satisfy him (i.e., it's not a 308 or a 30-06) and will meet all of his needs while still being readily available. If he's unsure send him to look at Chuck Hawks 4 best ever all around cartridges discussion.
My gunsmith once told me he really liked building rifles for me, because I knew how to make bullets. He said it really bites to give a guy a multi thousand dollar build and have him come in a gripe it won't group surplus Romanian ammo. That's this guy.
Next he's going to want a scope with all the qualities of a Swaro Z6i for $1000.
First and foremost this poor uninformed person must be able to get ammo, and it needs to be available at a local brick and mortar. If it weren't for that I'd probably go with the 7-08 (I love the round) but with that requirement I'd go with the 270Win. (edit:the fact that there are umpteen dozen more options for bullets in a 284 based chambering doesn't matter because he's buying factory ammo)
All the other performance desires are dreamland, esp the 800 yards wish. Don't worry about the barrel length or insufficient burn time, ignore all the other performance stuff, every rifle mentioned here will kill game if you hit it, which will be his biggest problem. The 270 probably has just enough "je ne sais quoi" to satisfy him (i.e., it's not a 308 or a 30-06) and will meet all of his needs while still being readily available. If he's unsure send him to look at Chuck Hawks 4 best ever all around cartridges discussion.
My gunsmith once told me he really liked building rifles for me, because I knew how to make bullets. He said it really bites to give a guy a multi thousand dollar build and have him come in a gripe it won't group surplus Romanian ammo. That's this guy.
Next he's going to want a scope with all the qualities of a Swaro Z6i for $1000.
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If he doesn't mind ordering Ammo online he can have a rifle built and send the complete rifle to Copper Creek Ammo. They will develop a load to shoot as far as he wants and will even send back a dope chart. It's not cheap but it's awesome deal for someone who doesn't reload.
Bully
Silver $$ Contributor
I'm not all that familiar with that reticle. I'm poor too so I'd probably wind up with the Vortex PST 2.5-10. Half the price, 80% of the capability. I have the 6-24 PST with the EBR2 reticle. I like it more than I thought I would. Actually, I like it more than I even wanted to.
Good luck in your build. I have a Savage build in process and I couldn't be more tickled.
I have to agree with you. I could never figure out why so many people, at least it seams like a lot of people TO ME insist on being just flat out disrespectful in the wording of their posts. My sainted old Irish grandmother loved to say "if you can't say something nice shut the **** up" My personal axiom has always been "More often than not how you say something is more important than what is said"
In other words what you said can be 100% irrefutably true, but because you choose to expressed your self so poorly it people will dismiss your opinion as equally poor.
lh leggtowner,
Without all the benefits that handloading can provide - even in a factory hunting rifle, spending a great deal of hard earned cash on a custom build would be ill advised. As a friend, you should point out that spending a little money on reloading equipment and components for reconstructing his chosen hunting cartridge to better match his current rifle would most likely enhance the accuracy and precision he currently enjoys more than buying a custom hunting rifle and subsequently feeding it off the shelf SAAMI spec ammunition. Depending on the dimensions of the chamber ordered in a custom rifle, factory ammunition may not even fit.
The craftsmanship of a custom rifle is a highly desirable thing - we all certainly understand that. But I would assert that the normal progression, once one is dissatisfied with factory ammo in a factory rifle, is to begin handloading for the factory rifle which would then lead ultimately to handloading for a custom built rifle. Jumping to the end without the middle step robs one of the very reason for buying a custom rifle in the first place.
However, it is a free country, and there are certainly worse things than buying an expensive rifle that will not be used to its full potential.
Just my 2¢ worth.
Ken
Without all the benefits that handloading can provide - even in a factory hunting rifle, spending a great deal of hard earned cash on a custom build would be ill advised. As a friend, you should point out that spending a little money on reloading equipment and components for reconstructing his chosen hunting cartridge to better match his current rifle would most likely enhance the accuracy and precision he currently enjoys more than buying a custom hunting rifle and subsequently feeding it off the shelf SAAMI spec ammunition. Depending on the dimensions of the chamber ordered in a custom rifle, factory ammunition may not even fit.
The craftsmanship of a custom rifle is a highly desirable thing - we all certainly understand that. But I would assert that the normal progression, once one is dissatisfied with factory ammo in a factory rifle, is to begin handloading for the factory rifle which would then lead ultimately to handloading for a custom built rifle. Jumping to the end without the middle step robs one of the very reason for buying a custom rifle in the first place.
However, it is a free country, and there are certainly worse things than buying an expensive rifle that will not be used to its full potential.
Just my 2¢ worth.
Ken
Take your friend shooting. Let him use your proven loads and equipment. Let him figure out what his ethical max range is...Then let him shoot your gun with factory ammo, if available. He will see the light.
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