H0RNADY plant tour no more.

[mic2377]

It isn't the insurance, it is the lawyers that cause the insurance increases. And lawyers are friends with other lawyers who make laws, and make it difficult and expensive to get them frivolous lawsuits thrown out. I would do the same thing.

 

[hertz654]

I'm glad I took the opportunity to visit the Hornady Plant back in March 2016, whilst on a "Spring Break", at the time not realizing that would be my last chance. I was the only one in my tour, so I got a very personalized showing.

 

[rockhound78]

Been on both the Sierra and Hornady tours. Both were great!!! Loved the shooting tunnel at Hornady.

 

[pikespeakgoat]

So true, just look at the increase of idiots taking selvies, jumping barrier fences and approaching bison/bears in the National Parks lately.....

Tourons!!!

And Darwin Award candidates .

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

You see this crap all the time now. It goes like this......

Been hurt on a tour ?? Call the law offices of Wazoo, Peckerhead,
and Shyster. We'll get you the money you deserve......

Well... You can thank lawsuit hunters for that... I have had to deal with multiple of them since we opened our shooting range. I have had half a dozen people call and ask "are you wheelchair accessible" at the shooting range. I tell them we are, they ask about coming out and "seeing the facility" to see if they want to shoot here. They show up, I meet them, they get out, wheel themselves all around. Up to the benches, into the shooting range etc etc, don't say a word, get back in their car and just leave. Not a "ok this looks good" or a "ok, I am interested in your range"... nothing... They just check, poke, prod everything then bolt.... It is wild!

 

[gunman870]

The wife and I toured the Hornady plant in 2019. About the worst tour of anything I have ever done. We had to schedule the tour ahead of time and got a designated time slot which I thought meant we would get a private guided tour. The tour guide had the appearance of working there for about 3 days and made it known her lunch was in less than an hour. I am not exactly sure if she knew which end of the bullet was the smart end. There were 2 other families in the same group as us and I answered more generic questions than the tour guide did. The plant was running about 20% of the machines I would say. The only thing that the tour guide really harped on was the gift shop area at the end.... I did buy a few seconds bullets since I was there, but I surely was disappointed in the whole ordeal. Since they are semi local (NE to IA) I liked the idea of supporting "local" and I had been an almost exclusive Hornady shooter up until that point and I won't say it completely shut me off, but I know I don't think twice about looking at other bullets since then.

 

[Rocky Mt High]

A few years back while going cross country my truck broke down in Grand Island and I was towed to a fixit shop close to Hornady factory. I walked in and told them I was a newer reloader with a green press but lots of red boxes of bullets and dies. The receptionist immediately called a sweet gal up front and sent me on a great personal tour. No rush, stopped and talked with several workers. I really liked how they kept the older machines cranking away on the tradition flat based bullets.
At the end we had a stopped in the offices and got to talk to Steve and the folks.
Everyone was Midwest friendly and I had a real nice time.

 

[ebb]

DocUSMC They are looking to see if you meet the American Disabilities Act requirements. Their whole gig is to see if they can find fault with the provisions you have made for disabled people. Then they can sue you if you come up short make some money and close an evil gun range and kill two birds with one stone. I don't know how to discourage it but maybe require a refundable deposit, or bring your guns with you, pay for the day and shoot.

 

[FNSafari]

Insurance. Another monster

Not really. Why should the insurance company want to risk the exposure to the public in a plant with moving machinery, primers, powder, etc.? The best loss control option in this case is to avoid the risk of loss to the public. If someone from the public is injured the insurance company most likely, might will receive a lawsuit.

Do you want Hornady products on the shelf?

 

[Hammer]

Unannounced...

In April 1981 stopped at Grand Island, Nebraska, while driving between Knoxville, TN, and Pocatello, ID.

Got the tour of Hornady and talked with the head QC/statistical analysis guy.

Later, had dinner at a really good steakhouse.

Enjoyed it.


Wonder if much has changed.

 

[Murray Brook]

Not really. Why should the insurance company want to risk the exposure to the public in a plant with moving machinery, primers, powder, etc.? The best loss control option in this case is to avoid the risk of loss to the public. If someone from the public is injured the insurance company most likely, might will receive a lawsuit.

Do you want Hornady products on the shelf?

Insurance is most certainly a monster that in a lot of ways controls our lives and freedoms. JMO

 

[FNSafari]

Insurance is most certainly a monster that in a lot of ways controls our lives and freedoms. JMO

Your are entitled to any opinion you want. If you want to cut insurance costs and you have paid off your home and/or cars, drop HO insurance and self insure and do the same with comprehensive and collision coverage on the autos. Its call assumption of risk in the risk control business. Easy peasey

 

[ErikET]

Tourons!!!

And Darwin Award candidates .

Unfortunately, from years working in EMS idiots don’t just take themselves out of the gene pool, more often than not it’s innocents hurt/killed, and the idiot walks away just fine.

Hornady also had a plant explosion this last year which was possibly a catalyst for this change.

Changes happen for reasons, and a lot of times those reasons aren’t fun at all.

My dad worked in Steel Mills, and I got to see a lot of them as a kid, there were also areas I absolutely was not allowed to see, because the danger was serious and very real, and had absolutely killed people. He also got Thyroid cancer twice from heavy metals exposure, he’s still with us today thankfully.

It’s a loss, it’s no fun, they probably have their reasons, and I’ll respect them for it.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Unannounced...

In April 1981 stopped at Grand Island, Nebraska, while driving between Knoxville, TN, and Pocatello, ID.

Got the tour of Hornady and talked with the head QC/statistical analysis guy.

Later, had dinner at a really good steakhouse.

Enjoyed it.


Wonder if much has changed.

Some of them probably look 40 years older.

 

[DiffEQ]

Most tours you can see on YouTube.
What you don't see is lots of background detail.

Back in the very early '90s, a fellow engineer and I were at a sawmill to bid on a line scan vision system to work on the band saw set-works. The saw was still running but the feeder and set-works were off.
Those blades move so fast, you can't see the teeth and they don't look like they're moving. They just look like a flat, thin piece of steel. You can hear it, though.
An engineer from a different company swiped his hand through the blade. Of course it cut through it like a hot knife through butter.
You can't fix stupid.

When I used to fly all over the country, I'd check out billboards to get an idea of the service industries in the area. I would take note when the majority of the billboards were bail bonds, DUI defense, or cancer treatment.

 

[Murray Brook]

Your are entitled to any opinion you want. If you want to cut insurance costs and you have paid off your home and/or cars, drop HO insurance and self insure and do the same with comprehensive and collision coverage on the autos. Its call assumption of risk in the risk control business. Easy peasey

I have no home insurance and am forced to have civil liability on cars. Other than that it isn't easy peasy because insurance is entrenched in our society and lives and makes things more costly. Weather we like it or not we pay.

 

[FNSafari]

Well, if one borrows money to buy a home, car, equipment, etc. the lender wants protection during the life of the loan. Kind of easy to understand. Once the loan is paid its the owners decision to keep it in force or not.

Regarding liability for lets say auto operation, the legal system has established liability law not insurance companies. Insurance companies respond by offering products to assume the drivers tort liability for operation. State law makes insurance or other financial responsibility mandatory because of the tort liability we all have for auto operation. I gladly exchange my insurance premium for the ins. company's assumption of my liability up to the coverage limit of my policy.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

DocUSMC They are looking to see if you meet the American Disabilities Act requirements. Their whole gig is to see if they can find fault with the provisions you have made for disabled people. Then they can sue you if you come up short make some money and close an evil gun range and kill two birds with one stone. I don't know how to discourage it but maybe require a refundable deposit, or bring your guns with you, pay for the day and shoot.

We actually require this. You mut be a member to access the range, complete a waiver, and get a member number + card. Since we started the "membership required to access the range" policy only one person has ADA checked us. Before we had half a dozen checks. No more walk arounds for sure.

 

[FrankG]

The biggest thing that kills tours is people doing things they are not suppose to. You get to a point where it’s just not worth it as much as you want to be accommodating as well as to use that time to educate people as well it when people abuse the privilege and offer for a tour… it gets killed.