Guys, check your rifles...

[olddav]

Honestly. the more I know about firearms, triggers and safeties the less I trust them! Love to shoot them but I do not trust them.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

That is how all the guns are carried in Africa. As far as triggers on a savage none of the replacement I have seen is safe for hunting .
I have a Remington I had to replace about every time you took the safety off it discharged. Larry

Hunting dangerous game is different than hunting elk and deer in America. Sure there's the ocassional threat of grizzly bears and mountain lions depending on where you are hunting elk and deer, but there's really no need to be hiking with a round in the chamber in the states. Especially not in a rifle as unreliable as a Salvage.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I always carry a round in my chamber when hunting and a 1911 cocked and locked every day. I guess I'm living too dangerously for the hall monitors in this thread.

The safety mechanisms on your 1911 are a hell of a lot more reliable than a Salvage rifle. Completely comparing apples to oranges. Especially considering the redundancy of safety the 1911 offers for carrying a round in the chamber.

I also carry my Kimber 10mm Auto 1911 with a round in the chamber when hiking in bear country, but I have 3 safety systems in place. First is the safety lever, second is the grip safety, and third is the holster that has a leather strap which wraps round between the slide and hammer. It is a very safe gun to carry loaded.

If you've ever examined how a safety works on a Salvage rifle, it would scare you. There is no way you can compare a Salvage rifle to a 1911. That's like comparing an airplane to a kite...

 

[ryanjay11]

You sure like saying salvage, huh? I don't own one, but I'm sure enjoying the blanket statements you make, like this gem:

there's really no need to be hiking with a round in the chamber in the states.

You probably don't need your kimber, huh? Actually, nevermind. I'm not a liberal that tells others what they need.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

You sure like saying salvage, huh? I don't own one, but I'm sure enjoying the blanket statements you make, like this gem:



You probably don't need your kimber, huh? Actually, nevermind. I'm not a liberal that tells others what they need.

I didnt realize my phone was auto-correcting 'savage' to 'salvage'. Oh well, my mistake.

My 'blanket statement' was referring to hunting rifles with only one simple safety mechanism like Savage employs.

You started off way out in left field on the subject and now I think your playing a different sport. When you wanna come back to the subject and quit trying to instigate arguments and insult people, we can talk some more about it like educated adults

 

[ryanjay11]

Reread what I wrote. I carry a loaded 1911 daily. STOP. I carry a loaded rifle when hunting. STOP.

Several posts(including yours)condemned ever loading a hunting rifle before taking a shot. Unlike yourself, I'm not telling anyone what they need to do.

 

[rogn]

Almost all the deer hunters of heavy timber carry loaded, still hunting is just that, still and "quiet". No time to rack in a round. It really doesnt matter much how you achieve safe gun handling, just so you do it. As suggested checking mechanical function periodically is important regardless. I think a lot of the so called mechanical failures are really the failure of a finger to stay in a safe place.

 

[GrocMax]

Yeah Savage had such a bad idea with the double safety system that everyone is copying the bladed trigger 2nd safety device now that the patents are out.

Not understanding your statement maybe you can clarify. And that was in reference to an aftermarket trigger.

I didnt realize my phone was auto-correcting 'savage' to 'salvage'. Oh well, my mistake.

My 'blanket statement' was referring to hunting rifles with only one simple safety mechanism like Savage employs.

You started off way out in left field on the subject and now I think your playing a different sport. When you wanna come back to the subject and quit trying to instigate arguments and insult people, we can talk some more about it like educated adults

 

[MrMajestic]

I physically remove the safety on my guns -so that I never rely on one.
Chamber a round only when fully ready to kill something.

BSA took care of that for me on my Martini Cadet.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Yeah Savage had such a bad idea with the double safety system that everyone is copying the bladed trigger 2nd safety device now that the patents are out.

Not understanding your statement maybe you can clarify. And that was in reference to an aftermarket trigger.

Not all savage/Stevens rifles come with the accutrigger my friend...

 

[Intheshop]

I love my Savages,and Remingtons,and Mausers,etc,etc,

But,let a Savage get accumulated funk in/on the stock and trigger and they will slam fire."Maybe" worse than other designs,and this is the million or so without the new triggers.

Clean your gun....sounds pretty doh.But there are situations where they do slam fire.Figure it out for yourself and how responsibility factors in.What goes on in your backyard may not represent other shooters approach....just sayin.

 

[Rustystud]

There is one particular aftermarket Savage trigger that is advertised to go down to 4oz. However they don't say when set below 10 oz. the trigger will fire if the safety is pushed forward three or four times. I quit installing them several years ago.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The savage trigger needs the blade. Otherwise it would be the most unsafe trigger there is. Remington has a better safety in my opinion but the firing pin block like a Mauser is probably the best. However the human brain is always the best

 

[Tommie]

If the pissing match is over now...

Last night a buddy was visiting and asking questions about a home defense shotgun. I got out my bedside Remington 870 to show
him what I'd suggest he purchase. I haven't fired the gun in a few years and honestly never give it a second thought. Heck, it's and 870. They never malfunction, right? Well a couple years of of neglect and dust proved me wrong. As I started shucking shells through the gun it hung up on the third shell. I cleared the round from the action and continued emptying the magazine. Yep, another hiccup.

I thoroughly cleaned the gun today.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

If the pissing match is over now...

Last night a buddy was visiting and asking questions about a home defense shotgun. I got out my bedside Remington 870 to show
him what I'd suggest he purchase. I haven't fired the gun in a few years and honestly never give it a second thought. Heck, it's and 870. They never malfunction, right? Well a couple years of of neglect and dust proved me wrong. As I started shucking shells through the gun it hung up on the third shell. I cleared the round from the action and continued emptying the magazine. Yep, another hiccup.

I thoroughly cleaned the gun today.

Well if your completely off subject comment is over now...

We'd like to get back to the topic subject of trigger safety.

 

[Tommie]

Ah yes. I totally missed that the OP meant triggers only. My bad.

 

[br1111]

Honestly. the more I know about firearms, triggers and safeties the less I trust them! Love to shoot them but I do not trust them.

my buddy had a sako with a timney trigger in it. he was sitting in a deer stand and it just went off. it was pointed in a safe direction and didn't cause no harm, but that 300 win mag with a brake on it like to busted his eardrum. he took the trigger apart and it was corroded. he replaced it. we don't know why the internals corroded because it had never got wet, and there was no solvents in it as we used bore guides and was very careful not to get solvents in it. we stored it muzzle down so no residual oil- solvent could run back to the trigger, in case there was a trace after patching out. the rifle was propped up in the corner of the blind and had been sitting there for 10 minutes. it just went off.

 

[jim_k]

Thanks to Alex Wheeler for initiating this discussion. The fire control system (FCS) is a complex and imperfect system. Every mechanical system has a Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF). In many industrial applications, these are calculated and published. We can't get that kind of information on firearm fire control systems, due to the system being "open." In other words, anybody from the manufacturer to the end user can "get into" the FCS and make changes. We alter every item from the trigger bow to the firing pin tip. Springs, triggers themselves, and safeties are taken apart, replaced, and put back together; and this introduces potential failure modes. Even after a thorough check, there may be changes in the system from repeated use, vibration, recoil, time, moisture, temperature, etc. They can't ever be trusted. Safety being the goal, we must assume the FCS is going to malfunction every time it's needed.

I suspect that in Africa, when walking in the bush, the concept of safety requires having a round ready to use, in order to protect yourselves from sudden danger. In that case, the decision has to balance all the factors involved, and that decision rests with your Professional Hunter. You do what he tells you.

We all have our personal opinions, but we should share the goal of safety. Alex may save somebody's life by posting this notice, and we may all share the credit by posting additional information, and encouraging each other to learn more about Fire Control Systems, as well as other "process issues" that can have an effect on safety.

 

[NewLiberty]

I must be a moron, I always have a round in the chamber when I'm hunting. I have never had a premature discharge in 50 years.