Gun Writers Discussion
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I have Jim Carmichels "Book of the Rifle", but it's on loan to a buddy. Iirc he thought that the 225 Winchester produced ammo was the best most accurate ammo he had ever tested. He thought factories could produce better ammo and in this case they proved they could. A least that's my recollection. Barlow
snert
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And that is still one of the best books I've ever read about shooting, handloading, varmint hunting, etc. My opinion, of course.........
Dr. Lou Palmisano was a cardiovascular surgeon.
snert
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The dentist was the guy behind PS....heck of a nice guy too...
Years ago when I read gun mags like Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, etc., I recall the view among many gun owners and shooters I knew that a sort of payola system operated in which the writers got to keep the rifles they were sent for evaluation, presumably in exchange for a favorable review. I don't know whether there was any truth to this, but it seemed to be a fairly widespread belief. And it was assumed that the rifle makers would make sure that they sent a good-performing, tuned-up specimen free of any flaws to the writers for their review.
A friend of mine, who was a well-known maker of premium hunting bullets, once referred to the gun mag writers as "prostitutes of the printed page." A tad harsh, I guess, but perhaps not far off the mark in a few cases.
On the other hand, I believe that, for their reviews in The American Rifleman, the NRA staff went out and purchased the rifle (and still do) the way anyone would and were pretty much free of the payola effect--much the way Consumer Reports evaluates products. Unlike the other gun mags that might give a report about accuracy based on one good group shot (or, for that matter, just made up on the typewriter), the NRA staff writers would report the average of five consecutive 5-shot groups--a far more compelling evaluation of the rifle's accuracy. Perhaps having a huge organization behind them (the NRA) and secure employment, these staff writers had (and have) far less reason to shade results in a positive direction.
A friend of mine, who was a well-known maker of premium hunting bullets, once referred to the gun mag writers as "prostitutes of the printed page." A tad harsh, I guess, but perhaps not far off the mark in a few cases.
On the other hand, I believe that, for their reviews in The American Rifleman, the NRA staff went out and purchased the rifle (and still do) the way anyone would and were pretty much free of the payola effect--much the way Consumer Reports evaluates products. Unlike the other gun mags that might give a report about accuracy based on one good group shot (or, for that matter, just made up on the typewriter), the NRA staff writers would report the average of five consecutive 5-shot groups--a far more compelling evaluation of the rifle's accuracy. Perhaps having a huge organization behind them (the NRA) and secure employment, these staff writers had (and have) far less reason to shade results in a positive direction.
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Brians356
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I've seen plenty of issues reported in gun reviews in magazines - trigger issues, feeding issues, misfires, mediocre fit and finish, overweight, misaligned sights, fouling, mediocre or poor accuracy - just off the top of my head. But, the only mags I read are American Rifleman and Shooting Times.
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Two thoughts:
1. My bad, by time you get to my age, not all details remain crystal clear. I only met him (Dr. Palmisano) once, at the Super Shoot about 35 years ago.
2. South Pender; Bryce Towsley at the American Rifleman Magazine takes lots of industry sponsored hunting trips all over the US, and Africa.
1. My bad, by time you get to my age, not all details remain crystal clear. I only met him (Dr. Palmisano) once, at the Super Shoot about 35 years ago.
2. South Pender; Bryce Towsley at the American Rifleman Magazine takes lots of industry sponsored hunting trips all over the US, and Africa.
One day, you will blink your eyes and find that you are the same age as the people you just described, and with the same problems.
hogpatrol
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You mean the ones where the guy is a bazillion yards away from the animal and the other off camera guy is a hundred yards away from the same animal and they both shoot at the same time or edit out the second shot and the far away guy gets high fived by his fellow phonies? Yeah, I watched, once.
For what it's worth, research psychologists have found a positive correlation between age and honesty in adults. This means that there is a tendency for older adults to be more honest than younger adults. It's important, though, to keep in mind that a correlation like this is far from a perfect relationship. Not all older adults are honest and younger ones dishonest. Just a tendency.
snert
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Is that like the old statistics wag...you know the one..."95 percent of statistics are correct and the other 8% are made up?"
No, the ones where they review guns, shoot guns, advertise Davidson's Gallery of Guns, show older guns. But they do it in such a stupid way that it is not interesting and the noise they call music is horrible. Midway USA does one where you get to see the same guy shoot the same gun in real time and slow motion over, and over, and over again.
Who remembers the gun writer Jim Zumbo. He is the one that called AR15s terrorist rifles. After the shooting public raised hell over his comments his TV show was canceled in Feb of 2007. The people that produce the show thought so little of the us the shooting public that the show came back on air June 3, 2007.
Well, I can't seem to let it go.
From this article, he says the round IS accurate, but not THE best. To me, it doesn't read like he was a huge fan.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/guns/rifles/2007/09/hits-and-misses
If you have something different, post it and I will shut up posthaste..............
KMart
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What I got out of the article concerning its accuracy was, that the 225 was the most accurate rifle /factory ammo combination that he had shot.
That caveat doesn't make it a tack driver or a pattern shooter.
Sounds like he is a little POed Winchester didn't do a better job in design, or because they dropped the 220 Swift.
That caveat doesn't make it a tack driver or a pattern shooter.
Sounds like he is a little POed Winchester didn't do a better job in design, or because they dropped the 220 Swift.
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