I really think that this question of difficulty comes down to that old saying " If it was easy everyone would be doing it". In either shooting discipline you can go from hero to zero in record time. I think the shooter that can shine in both disciplines probably puts in the most work. The Tackdriver certainly is proof of that.
Group and score degree of difficulty
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JoeDuke
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This reminds me of a friends statement. He said he won his very first benchrest match. Squared his shoulders back snd said, I am a natural at this. Seven years later he won his next yardage!
BTW. that was Shelly Davidson of tinkertoy fame.
jackieschmidt
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Now would be a great time to relive “Bozo At The Bench”. (With apologies to “Casey at the Bat”)
The Shooter’s Plight, can be so heavy to bear,
as we strive for perfection, as bullets fly through the air.
For that most aggravating occurrence is, without a doubt.
when four shots go in , and one shot goes out.
Now, my rifle was clean, my load was just right.
In goes the bolt, the first bullet takes flight.
There’s One, There’s Two, There’s Three, THERE’s FOUR…..
That hole is no bigger than it was before.
The clock is ticking, but I have plenty of time.
One more shot, and this Match will me mine
One more round, and all of these guys will see,
I’ll be sitting in first, where I know I should be.
But what was that, in the corner of my eye?
did all of those flags turn, as that last shot went by?
I’ll look down range, I know it will be fine,
because I know I let it go in just the knick of time.
But our best laid plans, can take such awful turns,
As the primer is struck, and the powder burns
For there it is, such a big eye sore.
MY ITTY BITTY “ONE“ IS NOW A GREAT BIG “FOUR.”
Jackie Schmidt
The Shooter’s Plight, can be so heavy to bear,
as we strive for perfection, as bullets fly through the air.
For that most aggravating occurrence is, without a doubt.
when four shots go in , and one shot goes out.
Now, my rifle was clean, my load was just right.
In goes the bolt, the first bullet takes flight.
There’s One, There’s Two, There’s Three, THERE’s FOUR…..
That hole is no bigger than it was before.
The clock is ticking, but I have plenty of time.
One more shot, and this Match will me mine
One more round, and all of these guys will see,
I’ll be sitting in first, where I know I should be.
But what was that, in the corner of my eye?
did all of those flags turn, as that last shot went by?
I’ll look down range, I know it will be fine,
because I know I let it go in just the knick of time.
But our best laid plans, can take such awful turns,
As the primer is struck, and the powder burns
For there it is, such a big eye sore.
MY ITTY BITTY “ONE“ IS NOW A GREAT BIG “FOUR.”
Jackie Schmidt
It’s going to be an interesting Tack Driver. Both of my shooting buddies Billy Stevens and Jim Chaney have guns that are shooting Phenomenally. I just watched Billy shoot a .294 at 330 yards. Conditions aren’t rough but it’s not a trigger pull either. The competition gets tougher every year.
Bart
Bart
Tack Driver
Mid South Carolina Gun Club 1764 Kennerly Rd. Orangeburg, SC 29118 Contact Jim Cline at jimcline30br@outlook.com
Tack Driver website. All the past results are on the webpage if you’re interested.
Bart
Alex Wheeler
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One thing I have learned from being involved with many different shooting games is they are equally hard. Remember no matter what game your shooting you have to beat the best at that game. There will be different skill sets but someone is working really hard at them and hes your competition. So my answer is they are both equally hard if your shooting against serious guys.
I never shot a registered group match but if it’s much harder than hitting enough dots to win a score match it must be about like Chinese arithmetic
JEFFPPC
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I have shot more score than group A couple of points. In group a screamer can turn you around real quick. That can be fun in a match. Although in group you only need to shoot 4 shots since first shot is a freebie. In group I think having the best gun on the line is a big help. I think there is a little more leeway in score for the Indian to overcome the Arrow. They are different games. I like the fact in score your required to hit something, seems more inline with what a firearm is for, to hit your target. Something that has stood out to me looking at group results posted this summer is often the winner is waaay ahead of the rest of the field. I always wonder why. Two fun sports requiring work and dedication to do well in. One misplaced shot in either can ruin your day.
bichettereds
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You have to be more specific when you ask which is more difficult. If you’re speaking in terms of how difficult it is to win at, that will depend on the competition.
So far if you’re tallying things up, the guys who have shot both seem to feel group is more difficult. I’m guessing it’s due to the higher level of competition at the group matches.
I could speculate why that would be but I have no experience in score shooting so I won’t.
So far if you’re tallying things up, the guys who have shot both seem to feel group is more difficult. I’m guessing it’s due to the higher level of competition at the group matches.
I could speculate why that would be but I have no experience in score shooting so I won’t.
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In 1K BR we compete for both group and score. The 10-ring at 1000 yds is 7", so you can score a 50 or a 100 with a 7" group. However, unless the conditions are just terrible, a 7" groups--either 5 or 10 shots, won't let you finish very well.
So I would say that for LRBR, group is harder than score. As far as comparing a score only match vs a group only match, there really isn't a comparison. Each requires a very specific set of skills.....
So I would say that for LRBR, group is harder than score. As far as comparing a score only match vs a group only match, there really isn't a comparison. Each requires a very specific set of skills.....
NC/Br Shooter
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The two main disciplines , score verses group.
Were they built around the ideas of Accuracy verses presision?
Were they built around the ideas of Accuracy verses presision?
JEFFPPC
Gold $$ Contributor
Maybe the group guys just can't hit anything? Since you have no experience in score why do you comment on it.
bichettereds
Silver $$ Contributor
You’re probably right.
That’s what I love about the tack driver and really want to make it down one of these years. Brings both disciplines together, adds some distance and allows pretty much all classes of rifles to compete. So far the short range group guys have done ok.
I think that the F-Class shooter's biggest adjustment in a 1K BR match would be not getting any feedback on shots once the record period starts. That and maybe learning to rapidly fire all the shots so as to keep them in the same condition.
As a BR guy, the biggest adjustment for me would be laying on my belly while shooting--which I HATE to do.
Not to mention rifles that typically do well in BR generally suck in F-Class, and good F-Class rifles generally suck in LRBR.
One thing to keep in mind. Almost anyone who has learned to shoot well in one shooting discipline can learn to do well in another. If David Tubb showed up at a LRBR match with his ELR or Highpower guns I wouldn't pay any attention. If he showed up with a full-up LRBR rifle and proper rests, I'd definitely take notice......
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