Good caliber for coyote's....

[farmerjohn]

Distance is from 25 yards, to 500...not being funny. I'm in S.E. New Mexico, and even though most of the spots are 20 miles from town, still get hunted a lot.I usually hunt days where wind is 2-10 mph. I've had dogs run in to 25-50 and 2 others that would literally sit at 500 yards and watch . The problem is, I have enough rifles, shotguns, pistols to cover any situation, I just keep buying projects.....EDIT TO OTHER POST! The 20 PPC is probably out, the ammo I thought was 20 ppc, is 22 ppc. The cost of brass, does, bullets, etc kind of make it a losing proposition, as that caliber is hard to sell, especially in a stock converted bbl. Need to chamber in a more common caliber that can be sold down the road if needed....still leaning towards 6mm Dasher....but haven't even received the rifle yet, should be this next week...rsbhunter

I know you can get aBR family case to feed or at least my gun smith says you can but it ain't near as easy as a full grown 6mm or 244 as I call them. If you want a repeater....

 

[rsbhunter]

farmerjohn, I have heard that...did some checking, there is a Asics (I think) mag, that is made specifically for the 6br , for $80. With bottom metal, it would work. "They" say the 6mm Dasher feeds a lot easier, so I don't know if that will be a problem....although, if there can be, it will on my gun...rsbhunter

 

[farmerjohn]

farmerjohn, I have heard that...did some checking, there is a Asics (I think) mag, that is made specifically for the 6br , for $80. With bottom metal, it would work. "They" say the 6mm Dasher feeds a lot easier, so I don't know if that will be a problem....although, if there can be, it will on my gun...rsbhunter

The real solution to the problem is two rifles, a BR family short rifle and a long barrel in a 6MM rem then you can have a lot of fun comparing the two, call one of them your short range gun and the other your long range. Always look for a reason to own another rifle....
John

 

[rsbhunter]

That's what got me into this situation.....at my age, I should be getting rid of guns, not inviting them in!!!!rsbhunter

 

[AWS]

First I don't think that you would recoup the cost of rebarreling by changing caliber. The 22 PPC has a great rep so shouldn't be a detriment to selling the rifle. I'd work up a good load and give it a shot. If you need a little more Umph(technical word) you could rechamber to 224 LBC(22 Grendel) at a considerable cost savings over a rebarrel, no need to change bolt face and you can use Grendel or 7.62x39 brass. My goto coyote rifles are the 222 Rem, 22-204, 5.6x50R Mag and 22-250. Last week in NV I hunted and killed them with a 22 Mag, 218 Bee, 22-250, they all died, you just need to know the limitations of what you are using, if you can't deal with that sell the rifle whole of part out and put the money to a 243 or 25-06 then your distance limitations are your shooting ability.

 

[rsbhunter]

AWS, First off I agree with you....IF this was a 22 PPC. IT IS A 20 PPC. From what I see online, the model 12's with the large shank barrel, and dual port are $900 and up. The bare actions go for $500. That the main reason I bought it. I offered $350 and got it. There are guy's selling the HS stock for what I paid for the whole gun. I can invest $2-3 hundred in reloading gear, dIes, etc and have a gun that might shoot, or not. Or I can put a Shilen bbl on it for $379.00 for the SS select, and get a caliber that would have a higher chance of selling if I decided to....just got on Gunbroker and looked for "20 PPC". Nothing, doesn't look like there is a lot of demand for it. If I was in Phoenix, or Denver, might be different. In my small town, I would take a beating on it in that caliber.....rsbhunter

 

[Webster]

Found a really decent deal on a Savage 12 LRPV in 20 PPC.....I am looking for a caliber to barrel to, and am thinking about a 26" varmint profile 1-8 6br. I already have 221 fireball, 223's 6XC, 6.5 creed's and up. Kind of intrigued by the accuracy of the 6br.....So , what are your thoughts? Thanks for any input...rsbhunter

I have a 6BR and a new 6BRX. I have 4200 rounds down the tube of the 6BR and it still shoots under .4" groups. I can shoot 58-60 gr bullets at 3600 without pressure and long case life. Any load I put in the 6BR shoots groups under .4". 3600 will plant any coyote if placed in the chest area. A 243 is nice but no barrel life. The most accurate varmint class bullet I have ever shot is the 6mm. Sierra 60 gr Varminter. Close to .25" groups. The 6BRX looks like it will shoot about 150 fps faster than the 6BR.

 

[Webster]

Distance is from 25 yards, to 500...not being funny. I'm in S.E. New Mexico, and even though most of the spots are 20 miles from town, still get hunted a lot.I usually hunt days where wind is 2-10 mph. I've had dogs run in to 25-50 and 2 others that would literally sit at 500 yards and watch . The problem is, I have enough rifles, shotguns, pistols to cover any situation, I just keep buying projects.....EDIT TO OTHER POST! The 20 PPC is probably out, the ammo I thought was 20 ppc, is 22 ppc. The cost of brass, does, bullets, etc kind of make it a losing proposition, as that caliber is hard to sell, especially in a stock converted bbl. Need to chamber in a more common caliber that can be sold down the road if needed....still leaning towards 6mm Dasher....but haven't even received the rifle yet, should be this next week...rsbhunter

The 6BRX is so simple to FF, just load, jam and shoot. Good enough accuracy to hunt while FF. Same ballistics as the Dasher. FFing my 6BRX I get groups under .5" just throwing the load together. Same load I use in the 6BR, 33.3 gr of 8208.

If I got another 6BRX I would get a 12 twist or faster to handle light bullets and 75-90 gr. All the fields I hunt in are usually under 350 yrd hayfields.

 

[swd]

The BRX and Dasher have exactly the same capacity and performance. Flip a coin and pick one. The Dasher now has factory brass from two companies.

 

[rsbhunter]

Won't lie, I like the idea of factory brass...even being retired, it seems as if the winds not blowing, then it's 1 00+ degrees, and I DON'T do heat....(S.E. New Mexico). When it's cool/cold I'm chasing dogs or deer or elk or....I am looking at the Dasher for a couple of reasons...factory brass, awesome accuracy, and a popular cartridge.....thinking Dasher wins....I really appreciate all the input, that's why this forum is the forum I go to for help and knowledge. Thanks guy's, rsbhunter

 

[WyleWD]

Awesome advice from all, I need to give more information... this will be a fun gun. I don't save hides, I would like to get one to tan, but not a priority. For most use, I use a 223 bolt, or a super lightweight ar15 223. I have a 6XC that is sporter weight (wicked accurate), a 223 WSSM with a bull barrel, a 6.5x284 sporter weight. This gun I bought for $350, because it was a factory bbl'd 204 Ruger cut to 24" and chambered to 20 PPC. As such, it wasn't a "highly desirable" project for most people. I have found 20 PPC ammo that I might try first...might change my mind. I have been turned toward the Dasher in place of the br, as it seems I will gain fps and not lose any accuracy, and case forming is a breeze. Please keep the info and suggestions coming, ...Thanks, rsbhunter

If you have a sporter weight 6xc that is accurate as you say.... your search is over before you started. I've had a 6xc sporter weight barrel in 10 twist for around 10 years now, and they work just fine on coyotes. If you want to try something just for the heck of it... maybe a 6 Grendel when the Peterson or other lower priced brass comes out. That cartridge doesn't give up much if anything to the 6br. My favorite is still the ole 220 Swift for coyotes. JME. WD

 

[rsbhunter]

I have a 223 WSSM in a win Stealth that I must have gotten lucky with, as it is a moa or better with 52gr Berger that are doing 3800 fps+....The 6 Dasher should be fun....I rotate between the 223's, 6.5 creed, and a 221 Fireball and 223 XP100's.....always fun...rsbhunter

 

[K22]

Why complicate your life - just buy a Tikka in either a 223, 22 250 or 243. These rifles have excellent out of the box triggers, reliable extraction systems and are very accurate - at least my three are with tailored reload. Put a good scope on it and you're good to go. These are standard calibers, reloading components and good factory ammo are abundant. Load development, if you reload, is uncomplicated.

For predator hunting, at least here in the east, you have to move around a lot and call. An accurate light weight rifle like the Tikka T3X lite is a big plus. If you truly are going to shoot at 500 yards then the 22 250 or 243 is the way to go. Personally, I use the 223 because 95% of my shots are within 300 yards due to terrain limitations. I also practice a lot so the long barrel life of a 223 serves me better.

In my humble opinion, learning how to shoot in the field with whatever field shooting aid you intend to use, i.e. bipod, shooting sticks, etc., is vastly more important than the caliber you select as long as the caliber is adequate for the game you are hunting.

 

[rsbhunter]

A Stevens 200 in 223 shooting a 52gr Berger, of mine killed a coyote at 430 yds lasered (and witnessed) . So, I could just use that ....but, that wouldn't be fun....around here, it is no big deal to have a mile or more distance to shoot in 3 directions.....you set up and call them in from a long ways away...used to live in the North East, a 222 or 221 fireball would have been all I needed....but it's a different world out here....

 

[AckleymanII]

Why not go 6 XC or 6x47 lapua and skip the Dashers and BRx's...feeding problems over.

 

[rsbhunter]

Have a 6XC savage lilja barreled sporter weight...shoots great...guess I just wanna mess around with something new....rsbhunter

 

[Webster]

The BRX and Dasher have exactly the same capacity and performance. Flip a coin and pick one. The Dasher now has factory brass from two companies.

I picked a 6RX over the Dasher because I didn't have to deal with making a false shoulder on the neck. Just shoot a 6R case in the chamber.

 

[swd]

I picked a 6RX over the Dasher because I didn't have to deal with making a false shoulder on the neck. Just shoot a 6R case in the chamber.

I have both. You can form either the same way. Or buy factory Dasher brass and no fire forming.

 

[rsbhunter]

That's what I've been researching, but it seems that the Norma cases are longer oal, and that either the barrel needs to be chambered for the Norma or trim the necks back....I had been planning on buying a Shilen pre fit bbl, but don't know if they can chamber the Norma? Time for more research...rsbhunter

 

[swd]

That's what I've been researching, but it seems that the Norma cases are longer oal, and that either the barrel needs to be chambered for the Norma or trim the necks back....I had been planning on buying a Shilen pre fit bbl, but don't know if they can chamber the Norma? Time for more research...rsbhunter

Call them they probably have more than one Dasher reamer.