full size non bushing vs full size bushing dies

[TackDriv3r]

Which full sizer do most of you use, the standard non bushing full sizer or the bushing full sizing die? I know the non bushing has one neck tension and cannot be adjusted while the bushing full sizer can use different bushing sizes to control neck tension.

 

[22BRGUY]

Kinda depends on what you're trying to do. If you just want to size new or other cases back to original factory dimensions, the non bushing usually does the job. If you are just bumping shoulders back a little and trying to control neck tension in the process, the bushing FL die is what to use.

 

[BenPerfected]

When first starting to reload, I only used bushing dies. Decided to switch to non-bushing dies to assure the brass was entirely straight. Neck tension adjustments aren't necessary if your brass necks are all exactly the same thickness and your annealing is consistent. The easiest way to do both is to send your brass to DJ's Brass Service. This morning, I threw out 100 pc of my great brass work.
Ben

 

['Freak]

A regular ol’ full length die can be adjusted to every bit as precisely control the amount of shoulder bump as any other die. If turning necks you can play around, some, with neck tension via initially equalizing wall thicknesses for uniform tension, and then by trying ever thinner neck walls to further reduce neck tension given an equal amount of neck expansion after sizing. The ~ .001” under bullet diameter neck expander mandrel and the ~ .002” under neck turning mandrels can also be used to expand necks after sizing, and the full length of the neck does not have to be expanded when using the separate expander mandrel. Carbide expander balls offer greater ease and uniformity, and neck expander balls of differing diameters can be tried. Given one chamber ID, one die neck ID, and one expander OD, it’s true that the outside of a thinner neck wall will be blown out further to meet the chamber wall and so squeezed back down further by the size die. But it’s also true that after sizing down the OD of the thinner neck wall, the ID of the neck ends up ~ the same amount greater than it would’ve been had the neck remained thicker, and the greater the neck ID before expansion the less work the same size expander ball or mandrel has to do. Probably not the way to go for a full on built to the hilt competition rifle shooter but it does give the backyard entertainment only shooter of SAAMI spec factory chambers something to do.

 

[billlarson]

turn necks........... use bushing.......
bill

 

[hogpatrol]

Which full sizer do most of you use, the standard non bushing full sizer or the bushing full sizing die? I know the non bushing has one neck tension and cannot be adjusted while the bushing full sizer can use different bushing sizes to control neck tension.

I use Redding type S bushing dies because all of my rifles use aftermarket barrels and are chambered with a specified neck diameter reamer. With over the counter, factory made rifles, I'd go with a standard die.

 

[TackDriv3r]

Thanks guys for the heads up. I have noticed that my 6.5 Creedmoor Type S bushing die is harder to size than the standard Redding non bushing die, even lubed them correctly. My other caliber bushing dies is way easier to size than the 6.5 Creedmoor bushing die.

 

['Freak]

How’s the effort of sizing along with a bit of a shoulder bump but without the bushing compare to same except this time with the bushing?

How much clearance are you trying to maintain between the bolt face and the case head?

What’s the fired case neck diameter before any sizing?

What size is stamped on the bushing, what’s the neck diameter after sizing with that bushing, and after sizing down the neck are you following up with any sort of neck expanding?

And, what’s the sized neck diameter after seating a bullet?

 

[TackDriv3r]

How’s the effort of sizing along with a bit of a shoulder bump but without the bushing compare to same except this time with the bushing?

How much clearance are you trying to maintain between the bolt face and the case head?

What’s the fired case neck diameter before any sizing?

What size is stamped on the bushing, what’s the neck diameter after sizing with that bushing, and after sizing down the neck are you following up with any sort of neck expanding?

And, what’s the sized neck diameter after seating a bullet?

I already sized all the cases and trimmed, but off the top of my head is the shoulder bump is .002 back, and bushing is .002 smaller than the measurement off the neck of a loaded round. I'll take all those measurements once I fire those sized cases. Will take notes possibly next week after range day.