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friends are coming out

I started reloading to get accurate ammo, pistol and rifle. When I was Bullseye shooting, it was a must to reload and I took pride in the end result. I did this all on a single stage press, RCBS JR(now I have a RCBS supreme), MEC for shotgun. The most I ever produce is for shotgun for when we do E trap. I am almost anal about my reloading. I take it seriously to produce the most accurate round possible, to have the best components, knowledge and dedication. There are a lot of us out there that have these high standards. I just hope these newbies in reloading take it seriously, because accidents can happen, people can be hurt.
 
I personally think everybody should start on a single-stage press. Yes, even for pistol. Nothing happens so quickly that an error can't be caught, and the reloader gets a very hands-on experience of each step. The Rockchucker is a Gut Checker for a "newly interested" reloader of convenience. After a couple of sessions prepping 5.56 range brass they quickly loose their appetite. If they are still interested then I'll mentor.

I don't make ammo for people. If a friend wants to come and observe me making ammo for myself to see if it is something that they want to make the investment then fine. If they want to try then I might have them bring over some supplies to make a few rounds. If they are still interested I'll give them a shopping list of the components they need to purchase (basic setup is a $500+ entry fee), and send them links to websites, such as this one, to start building their knowledge. The next session is at their place setting up their gear and tuning dies.
 
nilebartram said:
I should mention, these people are shooting buddies. Out of all of them, only one is a friend. He is the only one to offer a ride to my cancer treatment and the range.
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" Out of all of them, only one is a friend. He is the only one to offer a ride to my cancer treatment and the range."
There you have your answer.
rijndael said:
I call them "people collectors". You're there for their future use.
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This is what they are and what they do.
 
Mike402 said:
"They would buy factory ammo and let me pick up their shells and hulls. Sometimes they would help. When they did pick up their brass/hulls, they would say, "Give it to Nile""

"I have no sympathy for these guys. I just tell them they are too late in the game. There is no equipment, supplies or anything to be got. I have not told them how much brass or hulls I have"

Jeez great friend you are. They contributed to your stash for years and when times are tough, you leave them hanging.
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Yes, you know how they probably voted.
 
AJC said:
The definition of friend vs acquaintance is critical here. I have like 5 friends and if they asked I would do anything including just hand them loaded ammo. An acquaintance will extract what value from you can and move on to the next person who has what they want...
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Yea this is spot on. As I read back, the nuance is important in the OP. I took it to mean that these guys helped him out for many years by picking up their brass, giving it to him, etc. In essence looking out for him. But its a whole other story if they were just being condescending, like he couldn't afford factory ammo as somebody pointed out.

I don't know hell, do what you think is right Nile.
 
GuitarmanNick said:
I started loading about 5 years ago and am glad that I did. I now load for everything that I shoot with the exception of .22LR. I always saved my brass and had a small assortment with which to begin this hobby.
When I go to the range, if I see someone nearby that is not saving brass that I can use, I am not too proud to ask them if I could have it, and am happy to clean it up.
This has allowed me to be able to grow my stockpile of factory ammo while still enjoying my toys with my hand loads.
When someone asks me to load for them, I politely decline and offer instead to teach them how to load on my equipment using their components. So far, nobody has taken me up on it.
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That’s funny this thread has me thinking how many times I’ve offered to teach someone and have yet to be taken up on it as well
 
I've been loading for over 45 years and couldn't begin to guess how many offers I've extended for folks to come over & use my machines and components (when they were readily available anyway), and like nearly everyone else who posted...Crickets,with the exception of one nephew and my boys.

I always tell them I will not load for them, but will let them use my stuff and load their own stuff. At least no one has called up & tried to remind me of my offers. At this point, they would still have the invite to use the equipment, but only the equipment. Components they're on their own. I've seen this coming for decades and planned accordingly. I chose to build my Ark before the rain started.

Allen
 
I stand by your decision not to assist. Mainly because it would be impossible for you to help in the current shortage. Secondly they attitude they previously displayed toward reloading leads me to believe they probably look down on anyone not willing to throw money away and just buy new ammo. So even if I could help some one like that I wouldn't. I would call them acquaintances not friends.

I had a guy in Texas wanting to learn to reload. I found a used 550B and bought it. Told him what I had paid for it and if he wanted to reload it would be perfect for him. Four months later I still had it and he never asked again so I sold it to a co-worker. Found a good deal on another one and kept that one... lol.. I liked having two..

I will help fellow shooters today I am mailing off some Berger 215's to a guy that cried for help finding some. I have some to spare so I am mailing them to him even before getting payment. I am selling them at my cost nothing more added. He had little control over his situation in needing them. He ordered the rifle built and by the time it arrived he found himself in the middle of this shortage. He was lucky enough to find some horrendously priced factory stuff.. (300 Norma Mag, not for the faint of heart...lol..)
 
redrockranger said:
I had a financial advisor once who looked at me across his desk and said well it's only $50. He doesn't have our account any longer.
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This pisses me off.. That comment he made. "Only $50".... I would have asked him to give me the $50. If he said no.. Go someplace else... The reason is not the money it is the attitude.. I told my son never use the term "Only" when talking about money unless it is an amount that you would give a person you don't know and will never have the money returned to you.. I bought a tire for a man I did not know and gave him $100. Because of his attitude..He was changing a flat in a Walmart parking lot. I asked him if he needed help. He said, No, But do you know any one needing some day work?" I said no not this time of year. Why are you new to the area. He said just passing through, I had enough money to get where I was going but not enough for fuel and a new tire." I bought him the tire and gave him some additional fuel money..
 
I make a little money to help support my shooting habit from working up loads and loading custom ammunition.I take in a customer's rifle,usually a Remington 700 or something close and I thoroughly accurize it.Glass bedding,free float the barrel,lap the lugs,clean it,and other work as needed.I guarantee a 50% reduction in group size after the work and load development.Usually after it's all said and done,they will have around $300 invested.They leave with their rifle and a box of loaded ammo.Usually it's guys who seem to have money but no time,and they would rather have me do it for them.Those are the only people I load for.Nowadays I see a lot of guys who want to get started reloading,but they don't want to learn how to do it right,so they call me for advice when it gets difficult,and I try to help them out if I can.A few years ago I had a few friends who were getting into shooting at longer ranges,and they knew the best ammo is loaded by hand.We had a few sessions at my bench where I showed them the basics,helped them select some of their equipment and took them through the process a few times.When they got their stuff together I went to their places and helped them get going in a safe direction.I enjoyed doing that for good friends,and they've all 3 stayed with it and have advanced well.I don't know if it would be as enjoyable to help guys who may have looked down on me for loading my own and then suddenly wanted me to help them get started.Most of the time,people like that tend to be arrogant and think they know more in 20 rounds loaded than I know in a thousand times that number loaded.I also own a repair shop for farm equipment and have been known to ask a customer who seems to know everything why he brought it to me to fix when he knows so much about it.That usually shuts em up right quick.I wouldn't have learned how to make my own ammo if it wouldn't have been for a patient uncle who mentored me through the getting started phase.I started in the late 70's and information was not nearly so available as it is now.He's the reason I will help anybody who has a genuine desire to learn.
 
rijndael said:
The context of using "only $50" matters.

For example:

"I can execute this trade and you'll make a $250K profit, there's a small fee of only $50. Should I proceed?"

"We'll manage your entire $3M portfolio for a small annual fee of only $50"
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True but I hate people trivializing a dollar amount when it is not their money.. In the context used above a money manager should say.. We will do "X" for $50...

I just mailed off $110 dollars worth of Bergers I paid for and have not been paid for.. my money I can use the term "only $110" because it is no big los to me if I don't get the money.. If someone wants to borrow only $110.. They should not trivialize it because if it were a trivial amount they would not have to be asking for it..
 
A co-worker inherited a bunch of stuff when his WW II vet uncle passed last year, including his uncle's reloading gear & some supplies. (Not the Thompson sub he'd been 'holding onto' since bringing it back from WW II though, I believe that got 're-patriated' by the Feds....)

He knew I'm a reloader, asked if I'd field any questions. So I loaned him some of the manuals I started with, told him to read 'em front to back. He's gonna start with the hard stuff this w/e.

A neighbor's a 16-year veteran County Sheriff's Deputy, asked me a couple months ago about shooting 6.5 CM at 1,000 yards. We'd never talked much about long range shooting (my passion) so I asked if he had one. "Not yet" was his reply, then he asked about reloading 223, picks up brass from their practice & qualifying. I said sure, I'll mentor you if you want.

Yesterday he cleared my driveway while I was at work, after we got about 7" snow. Nice surprise when I got home in the dark! It was gusting ~ 25 mph, maybe 20°F. I was all set to park in the street so I could walk up & get the snow blower out to clear a lane up to the garage door.
 
I had the the first person over last week that took me up on the offer to "learn" how to reload. He brought over bullets, primers, brass, and powder. We seat through the whole process for start to finish. Setting up dies, trimming brass, deburring, priming, charging and seating bullets. He load 20 rounds, 3.5 hours (alot of questions later) we where done. His next lesson is reading the manuals before he comes again, if he does...
I have also been called 5 times this week asking for ammo. I point them to ammo seek and say "it's out there". I have not heard from these people in years. They know I reload and think I will supply them with loaded ammo. They are wrong! Do I have the available components, Maybe...
This guy never ask me for anything but info and actually showed up when he said he would. I offered to sale him some power and primers for another caliber he was looking to reload for. He went online and sourced brass and bullets, he made the effort on his own. To him I will help because he made the effort rather than calling and expecting me to just give him what I have.
 
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