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nilebartram

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I have been reloading for 50 years now. My high income friends from Silicon Valley, never wanted to reload. They would buy factory ammo and let me pick up their shells and hulls. Sometimes they would help. When they did pick up their brass/hulls, they would say, "Give it to Nile". Never wanted to reload or learn how, until now. Now they are asking me for books, press, bullets, information on how to get started and price, the list goes on. I have no sympathy for these guys. I just tell them they are too late in the game. There is no equipment, supplies or anything to be got. I have not told them how much brass or hulls I have, They would be shocked. I know I am not the only one feeling the pinch from these non reloaders. nilebartram
 
"They would buy factory ammo and let me pick up their shells and hulls. Sometimes they would help. When they did pick up their brass/hulls, they would say, "Give it to Nile""

"I have no sympathy for these guys. I just tell them they are too late in the game. There is no equipment, supplies or anything to be got. I have not told them how much brass or hulls I have"

Jeez great friend you are. They contributed to your stash for years and when times are tough, you leave them hanging.
 
Handloading is a great pleasure to many of us. But choosing not to handload is hardly a crime. Nor is it this fantastical solution to the great ammo shortage. Bought any powder or primers lately?

There are a heck of a lot more shooters out there who rely strictly on factory ammo. They're not lesser souls simply because they didn't make all the same choices as us.
 
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when i lived in so cal briefly i had an acquaintance with a favorite saying....

'the nice thing about living at the beach is every sunday 500 of your most intimate friends stop by'

seems vaguely applicable... they wouldn't pay the premium for beachfront, but thought you certainly wouldn't mind if they used your fridge and loo.

i did, btw, supply the neighbor some lrm primers so he could get his 300 wsm loaded for deer season... but did not load it myself.
 
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I have been reloading for 50 years now. My high income friends from Silicon Valley, never wanted to reload. They would buy factory ammo and let me pick up their shells and hulls. Sometimes they would help. When they did pick up their brass/hulls, they would say, "Give it to Nile". Never wanted to reload or learn how, until now. Now they are asking me for books, press, bullets, information on how to get started and price, the list goes on. I have no sympathy for these guys. I just tell them they are too late in the game. There is no equipment, supplies or anything to be got. I have not told them how much brass or hulls I have, They would be shocked. I know I am not the only one feeling the pinch from these non reloaders. nilebartram

Yeah, got a call from a team leader I was deployed with in ‘04, live in the same area now. Only occasionally crossed paths on the rare trip to the post office since. Don’t even know how he got my number. Told him to find the components and extra primers and I’d be happy to show him how on mine and provide oversight while he rolls his. By the time he can find them, he won’t be interested. But if he does, I’ll be doing just that.
 
Agreed, reloading is not hard, but it requires thought and deliberate attention to detail. With their highly conditional attention span, I’d be reluctant to make it easy for them. With components being as hard to find as they are, I would be nervous that maybe they’d substitute components without due caution.

Bottom line, there was a brief window where the factory ammo consumers could flip to reloading. Now the reloading equipment and parts are mostly empty, and it seems that buying factory ammo is still the easier route.

David
 
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What I get from the post is the attitude the other shooters had, like "give it to Nile, he can't afford to buy factory ammo", now all of a sudden (well a year) they want to do what lowly Nile does and it that is the case I wouldn't help either. JMHO
 
I have been in the shooting sports for 48 yrs. Always purchased ammo or components in large quantities. Mainly because I hate shopping for anything. Heard lots of comments on how ridiculous or stupid I was. Now people like me are referred to as hoarders. To the devil with all of them. No sympathy here. I rub it in every chance I get.
 
When I started reloading (in the late 1980s) it was because I wanted to shoot more, and was interested in making my own because it seemed like challenging fun. And it was. Another journey in life, starting with research, shopping, assembling the gear, buying components, etc.

In terms of economics, I calculated -- way back then -- that I could "earn" about $70/hour loading .44 special and magnum rounds, on my progressive setup, compared to buying them new. That was a LOT of money back then, and is still a handsome wage if you look at it that way. The cost savings on 9mm, 40, and .45 ACP was not as much, but I loaded for all of them. Back then, at a legendary (to SF Bay Area denizens) gun store in San Leandro. you could buy 1k rounds of 9mm (Fiocchi, for example) on sale for $159. 1k rounds of .223/5.56 (IMI, for example) for $199. Ah, the good ol' days!

I quickly learned the value of brass. At the ranges I frequented, the protocol at one was never pick up brass that wasn't your own (because the rangemaster did, and then sold it to augment his miserable situation, that grouchy SOB, who alienated so many visitors with his rude/belligerent and sometimes drunk rants.) At another (indoors) the rangemasters appreciated that some of us wanted to gather brass, because then they had less to do to close shop for the night. There was one gent that always showed up with his adult daughter, got her situated and shooting in a lane, and then spent his time gathering brass. (I needed to remind him a couple of times not to pick up mine, ha ha.)

Anyway, when I am discussing the reloading option with new shooters or those who lament the cost of factory ammo, I use this example: Imagine that your pistol/rifle is ejecting a nickel, dime, quarter, or dollar every time the action cycles. Would you leave that money on the ground?

Some people with enough disposable income don't bother contemplating alternatives that occur to the rest of us. Like reloading ammo, or making our own coffee instead of going to Starbucks, or collecting credit card points to offset the cost of travel, or negotiating the price of a new vehicle so strenuously that one time the sales manager asked you to leave. That's their prerogative. And other people do engage in the (admittedly simplistic) alternatives described. I understand both approaches, but practice the latter.

On a tangent: airguns and archery. Hugely fun alternatives. You can buy five thousand .177 pellets for about $80 plus shipping. You don't need ear protection, and even Ariana Grande wouldn't flinch under the recoil.
 
"They would buy factory ammo and let me pick up their shells and hulls. Sometimes they would help. When they did pick up their brass/hulls, they would say, "Give it to Nile""

"I have no sympathy for these guys. I just tell them they are too late in the game. There is no equipment, supplies or anything to be got. I have not told them how much brass or hulls I have"

Jeez great friend you are. They contributed to your stash for years and when times are tough, you leave them hanging.
It's not refusing to help. Sounds like they want their friend to supply them from his limted personal supply. Cannot believe they cannot buy a press or books any where. Sounds like they are to lazy to shop. Give Niles a break you don't know the situation. I have not been to my local shooter supply store recently, need to see what's available.
 
Not everyone who is getting into reloading right now was someone who was too good to do it before. My friend's son just bought a house and called me to find out what he needed to set up a reloading room in his basement. I started with a bench and then went through the whole process, lamenting the whole time that he would have a hard time finding anything, equipement or components, at this time. I told him if he was able to find the equipment, I would front him some supplies for the hunting calibers he and his Dad use, and maybe some pistol supplies as well. I know he is already raising his children to hunt, so this will ensure another generation of reloaders and shooters. Not everyone is like that, but you have to help the ones you can.
 
Nile,,,I feel your pain,,,in the last few weeks I have had four friends and three "acquaintances" call me and what me to load ammo for them,(and use my components that I have been "hoarding"),,I told them all that if they can find bullets,brass,primers,powder for their rifles then come on over and they can use my equipment to load their own ammo ,,,they all said that they didnt have the time but since I was "retired" that it would give me something to do !!!,,,hahahahah,,,I dont know how I ever had time to go to work,,,If I was you I would give them all the techincal support tht you can and direct them to whatever sources that you know of to help them get their components ,and wish them good luck,,,Roger
 
I have been giving them information on what to do and how to get started. They have no ideal on the cost, dedication, equipment, components. To tell the truth, I do not think their wives would let them reload, too dangerous, we got children, and most of all they do not have the time . I have not shot much last year because of covid and my cancer treatment. I miss seeing everybody. A couple have came over to see my set up and were were amazed. The only calibers we have in common is hand gun and shotgun. I told them it is the wrong time to get started, no components are available. If you are going to reload, start planning now When the time comes, I will let them know. Offer my advise and help.
 
Maybe I read it wrong, but it didn't seem to me like the friends were asking for free stuff or ammo. It sounded like t hey wanted help sourcing good loading manuals, what press to buy, and where to get components. If that's the case, then why not help out your friends. I'd tell them that primers are almost impossible to find right now though. The other components are still out there though,
 
Interesting post. The media would have you believe all high-income individuals in Silicon Valley are anti-gun. The truth is, years ago, there was a movement by the earlier Internet pioneers called Geeks with Guns. I believe it was started with Eric Raymond. The site is www.geekswithguns.com.

Anyway, I can see where the OP is coming from. However, I'm all about teaching a man to fish as opposed to giving a man a fish. If someone is willing to learn and pay the price in sweat equity (and money these days), it guarantees continuity in the shooting sports. At the end of the day, it is about continuing the shooting sports. We have enough enemies without each other turning our backs.
 
Those that say they can’t find the time is so laughable to me with the hours I work. All I have to say to that is, don’t park yourself in the lazy-boy in front of the tube.
If someone actually got their equipment and read the reloading manual front to back and gave it a try on their own, I would be more than glad to give them some pointers. I’m not about to bring someone to my shop and give them reloading 101, and not know if they really have a serious passion for it or not.
 

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