Four Singers cancel show at NRA convention

[snert]

Seems a perfect situation for red flag laws to reject the creep on purchase of those long guns.
I am sure the FBI was fully aware of this time bomb, and likely cleared the path for him..
Local LE certainly did their part in further aiding the crisis.

It's not a function of an FFL to know or act on a buyers personal condition.
And there is no such thing as an inalienable 2A right for any of us to purchase guns.
Both of those notions are a dead stick

The heat on this needs to be squarely directed at law enforcement.

And you know this is where to lay the blame how?

 

[rijndael]

What about left wing domestic terrorist groups like antifa, which is still riding roughshod over Portland?

Or the guy who shot up the congressional baseball game.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Was this kid an NRA member? Why is the nra even mentioned? Are they protesting the GOA? How bout the 2nd amendment foundation?

 

[Triple BB]

They probably saw Wayne buying some more $10k suites and another Caribbean vacation and said hell with it…

 

[mikecr]

And you know this is where to lay the blame how?

Blame could be sent a lot of directions, all the way back to a root cause.
But it is fully empowered and highly resourced law enforcement who are accountable.

Nearly every mass shooter broadcasts themselves with social media. It's plenty of warning that media flags, that people report, that law enforcement monitors. If the FBI doesn't already know who the next mass shooters are, then they're utterly failing in their function.
I suggest that the FBI is not failing. They do know, and their partisan leadership desires every bit of it.

So far the ONLY mass shooter I've seen that did not broadcast a dark end, was the 2017 Las Vegas shooter.
Remember the whole 'bump stock' thing?
That guy never broadcast, and any motive, even as attempted stretch, has never surfaced.
That was either a true oddity, or a gov't sanctioned event. Another Lee Harvey Oswald..

 

[Twicepop]

Perhaps these were the wrong singers to have scheduled to begin with?

MSN

Also Larry Gatwood and Larry Steward canceled.

Leadership flaws and non-support of the NRA with WL.

Life member here. No extra funds while he is in charge.

Why is it imperative that "entertainers" have to be at every venue? The NRA Convention is about protecting the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, not glorifying someone who has obviously put their career ahead of their rights. As a general rule entertainers make horrible examples of doing what's right, keep your politics and your entertainment separated.

 

[xswanted]

I the musicians performing were nearly forced into cancelling based entirely on “cancel culture”. These people still have to protect themselves. Personally I don’t blame them.


Without trying to sound like some kind of conspiracy theorist I’m starting to believe these people that are committing these crimes are being “talked into it” somehow or someway by far left wing officials.

Comparing the two clowns who’s shot up Newtown and now Uvalde the types of kids they were and the crimes are awfully similar. The media and “officials” will call this copy cat but I’m not buying it.


The simple fact this happened in Texas only a day or so prior to the NRA convention is also an interesting coincidence.

Again, I don’t mean to come across as a nut job myself but there are plenty of odd things about this.

 

[snert]

Hindsight is 20/20.

And politically convenient. Not a damn one of them, especially that "leader" of the Texas public safety was there in the fog of the incident.

Lets cut right to it. You can't see thru walls. You can't shoot indiscriminately. You can't breach walls and doors without equipment (ask any cop driving a cruiser with 150,000 miles on it about equipment). When a shooter goes to ground (a barricaded subject with, or without hostages) you isolate, secure, work to gain the advantage, negotiate if you have to, try to save the people nearby.

It is not a wrong approach, unless of course it is two days later and you are not the responding officer and you are standing in front of a hostile crowd of parents and reporters. THEN it's the wrong choice. THAT is cowardice.

It is not cowardice to run in. It is not cowardice to seek cover from overwhelming ballistic advantage. It is not cowardice to believe that the shooter is now holding hostages but shooting at you and not them. Of course you try to get the shot. But is you can't...you need the right equipment or you are now part of the losses.

It is cowardice to say "what we know now is they shoulda woulda coulda...


I'll bet my sandwich that hack is a political appointee.

And lastly, to stand outside is called securing a perimeter. It sucks. But somebody has to do it.

I find it amazing that fellow shooters, guys who use tools peacefully everyday that those cops had to use "for real" can so quickly blame the cops. Funny thing is, I don't recall seeing any of you on my calls in the 20 years I was the pointy end. But I saw a lot of damn brave guys in uniform next to me.

Give the blue a break guys.

 

[Pyscodog]

I read one rifle was bought local. As far as a credit card...anyone that breaths air can get a card these days. Fill out the app and send it in, your cards in the mail. A new truck? Is was an older Ford truck and even if it was new, just because you draw SSI doesn't mean your poor.

 

[snert]

Blame could be sent a lot of directions, all the way back to a root cause.
But it is fully empowered and highly resourced law enforcement who are accountable.

Nearly every mass shooter broadcasts themselves with social media. It's plenty of warning that media flags, that people report, that law enforcement monitors. If the FBI doesn't already know who the next mass shooters are, then they're utterly failing in their function.
I suggest that the FBI is not failing. They do know, and their partisan leadership desires every bit of it.

So far the ONLY mass shooter I've seen that did not broadcast a dark end, was the 2017 Las Vegas shooter.
Remember the whole 'bump stock' thing?
That guy never broadcast, and any motive, even as attempted stretch, has never surfaced.
That was either a true oddity, or a gov't sanctioned event. Another Lee Harvey Oswald..

Thanks for the clarification

 

[davidjoe]

Our oaths were taken to uphold the same Constitution, Blue or Bar. As a Texas father i was prepared, to my best ability, to defend my children when they were young, from the unthinkable. There was no higher purpose in life, should it be necessary. I would have had an issue that day, if a parent, the same one LE has with itself. I’m not new to being a parent, gun owner, lawyer or reasoner. I can support Blue without agreeing with every single decision ever made in every situation.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Why can the social media sniff you out in seconds for saying the covid shot may be harmful but not catch these punk ass kids saying theyre going to cause somebody harm?
Why did the cops cuff, stuff, taze and pepper spray parents outside as their kids were being shot or even the ones trying to get their kids off that bus?

 

[tsyarnall]

A teacher propped open the door.

This is one of the things that I was hinting at in post #64. I worked Maintenance at a school district and almost without fail, every school, every single day had doors propped open. This was when Board Policy demanded all doors to be closed, lock and only admittance through the MAIN doors was allowed. Those were controlled by electronic locking systems and somebody in the main office had to buzz you in.

I would lock the opened doors as I would find them. Unless I was coded for an “emergency” call I would go back and check the door/doors that I had earlier locked on the way out. More times than not they would be propped open again. The reasons varied: teachers going in and out during recess; P.E. outside; easy access from building to building and so on. They always had an “good” reason to prop them open and/or to defeat the locking mechanism. I would turn the locations into the school secretary or principal, as I came in, but some always found their way open, again.

It got so bad that finally we were directed by the Administration (at the request of the Board of Education) to turn in a list each day of doors that we found open during our shift. I retired not long after that practice started and I’m not sure how effective that procedure was. You know, it was only to protect everyone, but some of the staff would really get testy about certain doors being locked. This is just one example of things that could be done to help.

 

[rijndael]

I work in a building where propped doors generate alarms and guards come to investigate pretty quickly. It’s inconvenient, but necessary. We need to consider kids lives at least as valuable as my work’s data.

 

[Dave Zander]

If were going to blame the tool instead of the user where's the outcry for banning automobiles? The driver was out on $1000 bail day after? ​

5 killed and 40 injured, including kids, when SUV plows into Wisconsin Christmas parade​

 

[M-61]

Oh, and y the way. All of the security methods imaginable are worthless unless you take them seriously.

leaving a secure door open knowing a lunatic with a gun is heading your way is not taking things seriously.

You think that teacher had any clue there was a lunatic outside and heading her way?
Try taking a dozen kids outside and having a locked door behind you. It will be 2 minutes before 3 kids have take a leak. Now you have the group split up if that door is not accessible.
Should there be a better way? Yeah sure but I’m not about to criticize that teacher or her actions.
Quite a different position than sitting back, comfortably, and Monday morning quarterback a situation that only minimal facts have been released.

 

[outasite`08]

Could be, but again, how does a 18 YO kid without a job get a CC?

They apply for it. It`s that easy. I know from experience. Most likely this POS had two or three with $2500 limits. The card companies DON`T care. I`ve seen people with two cards from the same company with slightly different names. No background check on cards ,it seems?

 

[rijndael]

Uvalde PD just went through active shooter training! How timely.

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In Mass Shootings, Police Are Trained to ‘Confront the Attacker’

As the Uvalde, Texas, massacre raises questions about the police response, experts describe complex, shifting circumstances. Speed, they say, is essential.

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I guess they glossed over this part of it:

 

[rijndael]

They apply for it. It`s that easy.

It's almost required these days, it's hard to keep enough cash on hand for a $125 F150 fillup.

 

[6BRA]

Billions in foreign aide, and schools don't have every entrance guarded....we pay taxes for who? Cut the foreign aide and guard the entrances this shit will stop.