for the money

[LHSmith]

Let me be more specific......It's the "anything that moves" that is WAY out of line.
You apparently don't understand why Nate and Tightneck are so concerned with your choice of words, but I have been reading their posts for a long time and their compassion for the shooting sports is genuine.

 

[jraney]

what is wrong with anything that moves, around my place it is coons,varmints) possums, crows, armadillos, coyotes, anyhow
anything that is in season can and will be shot kinda like
a trespasser,that's a joke okay. all i wanted to know is what caliber will reach the far targets and of course humanly kill that animal, i don't think anybody likes to trail an animal
especially one that was shot at long range it just makes it more difficult to find the animal, and as far as hunting i always observe my target and what lies behind it, you people do not understand, they may be passionate about hunting but i literally have at times depended on myself to kill an animal in order to eat. i do not believe that me saying anything that moves qualifies me to be harassed about my knowledge of hunting.

 

[30xs]

What is wrong with anything that moves?......People move. Would you give a ten year old a gun and tell him to shoot anything that moves? Your words could be easily twisted by an anti into meaning that if they were to go behind a bush and shake it you would shoot into the bush because it moved. Then in turn use that statement that guns should be banned because people shoot anything that moves putting others at risk. How many people die each year in hunting season because they mistaken for an animal? I don't see how that could happen unless people shot whatever moved, and it happened to be a human. Maybe this will help clear up why people took offense to your statement. I don't want to get in the middle, I'm just pointing out what I see wrong with the statement. Also, the "shot kinda like a trespasser" was not in good taste, and just adds fuel to the fire for verbal assaults. Good night and I hope you did get something from at least one of the posts I placed here tonight. Tim

 

[squirrelduster]

jraney,
You need to relax a little.
The point most everyone is trying to make is what do you want to shoot - a buffalo or a prairie dog?
The answer to your question is in the details. If you are you buffalo hunting and want to shoot one as far as you can see you would need a small piece of artillery mounted on a jeep.
If you want to shoot a prairie dog as far as you can see you would need a considerably smaller rifle.
My point is if you are shooting something to eat you would do well with a 7mm-08, 270 winchester, or even to old reliable 30-06. All of these are fairly inexpensive to purchase factory ammunition for.
Stay away from the fancy stuff - any of the magnum anything - 300 win mag runs $60.00 box. 270 or 30-06 under $20.00 at Walmart.
30xs is right about the Stevens or Savage rifle. They are both accurate and relatively inexpensive. They have package deals on some of them that include a decent 3x9 scope premounted.
If you can narrow your critter list down some we could be more helpful with calibers and rifle models.

 

[jraney]

again you missed the question. what would be the best all around caliber is that clear enough ?

 

[tightneck]

again you missed the question. what would be the best all around caliber is that clear enough ?

For you Mr. Raney, BB gun would be best.

 

[LHSmith]

bb gun ....nah ...with his attitude towards firearm safety he'd probably shoot his eye out#

 

[jraney]

ya you all are probably correct

 

[Preacher]

Just hunt up a factory 7mm SAUM and get to shooting anything you want shot with it...
if you can't find one rebarrell one to it......

 

[jraney]

hey someone tell me more about the stevens, is it very difficult to replace the old trigger with a rifle basics or jewel. how hard would it be to rebarrel, can you rebarrel
a .243 to a 308 or the other way around?

 

[jraney]

hey if someone could also tell me about a 20ppc,i think this is the one i heard was the most accurate for varmint hunters.

 

[Akbushape]

jraney,
sorry about the flack you recieved on this site. I took "anything that moves" as a generality and I often get the same flack for not going into extreme detail rather than speaking in general and just assuming the listener is capable of understanding my drift. I sympatize with your situation but
to come up with one gun that covers all the basics may be a hard
one. Personally I don't like the 22 calibers on deer. For the
rest of the game in your area they would be fine. The 22-250
is to much if you want anything left of a raccoon size animal
but the smaller 22's would be work. If deer is included in the equation then 243 would be a good choice. But there again it will be not leave much to cook up on anything smaller.
Don't be discouraged. There is a lot of good advice on this site and the vast marjority of posters can be and are civil
towards each other. Good luck and whatever your choice I hope
it pays for it's self with good meat on the table.

 

[jraney]

hey thanks for the understanding of my post, i really never meant anything by it but oh well its done. for the past 5 years i have hunted and killed several deer with the 22-250,all within 100yds of course) granted they are not for everyone but with a good shot placement the are devastating. early this year i killed a wild hog at around 150 to 200yds with a well placed shot from my .223. but the thing about it is they are both single shot rifles. i really want a bolt action simply for the carring capacity and quickness of the follow up shot. if i could do it i would love to have one of the benchrest rifles becuase they look so cool, but then again they are singles. if i could figure out how to
afford a repeater then i would do it fast. hey maybe you could tell me could i get a factory rifle to fit a br style stock?

 

[Dgd6mm]

Earlier I mentioned a 7-08,I've shot mine out to 600 yards.Very accurate.I also have a 308 both of these rifle's are Savage's.My brother has shot firearm's all his life like myself.He asked me similar question's like you have,except his hunting is more in the neighborhood of maximum 300 yards.I suggested a 243 win. in a Savage combo from Walmart,he found one purchased the firearm,bought a box of 100 grain remington corelokt's and meet me at the Manatee Gunrange.Prior to going to the range I sat down and made some loads for his rifle,20- 100 grain corelokt's and 50-105 grain a-maxes.Now were at the range,we put a target at 100 yards,pulled the bolt out of the rifle lined the muzzle on the bullseye and dialed the scope in.1st shot on paper,my brother proceeded to shoot one and clean one for ten shot's.He then started shooting and adjusting untill he was in the bullseye shooting a tight group.After all of this he went to 200 yards and put a target up,started shooting the loads I made untill it was grouping in the bullseye,he finished that 20 ran some patches thru it and started on the 105 a-maxes.He sighted the a-maxes in at 200 yards,then I took some info off a dopechart I got off of jbm and moved out to 600 yards.I spotted for him.He was shooting at a springloaded metal p-dog,once he got dialed in his misses were very narrow,elevation was good.He hit the p-dog almost every other shot and never missed it more then twice in a row.That was the first time he had ever shot farther then 200 yards.This year he killed his first deer with that rifle and store bought 243 100 grain remington corelokt's,short shot but it never took another breath or step when he pulled the accutrigger.jraney keep asking question's and we will keep answering them,take care.

 

[Akbushape]

You could put your factory rifle in a br style stock but it would be a bit akward packing it around in the woods.
I had a buck run off one time after hitting him square in the shoulder with the 22-250 at about 90 yds. I looked for him for a
good 4 hours and never found him, and it left me feeling pretty
bad. So I went bigger. Funny how little incidents like this mess with a persons mind. The 22-250 may be a great deer gun but since that time I use it mostly just for coyotes.

 

[squirrelduster]

Back to the critter list.
Get yourself a 7-08 and shoot the 140 gr accubond loads for deer and the 120 hollow points from Remington for the varmints that you don't want to eat.
Savage GX10P3 with a 3x9 scope factory mounted. $547.00 from Able Ammo.
Should shoot under an inch at 100 yards.
Good luck

 

[30xs]

If you want to swap out the stock for a thumbhole you may want to look on Stockysstocks.com he has a decent selection, most of the time. If you are looking for a wider, but not bulky, vented forearm look up the Varmint Thumbhole. You can save yourself some coin if you finish it out yourself, depends on your patience and skills. It is not really that hard, just read all you can take notes and take your time. The Ross stock has a narrower forearm. The trigger may just need a little smoothing to make it an acceptable hunting trigger. Mine breaks about 2.5-3 pounds. Not bad for a hunting rifle, could be better but... Jewell does not make a trigger for the Savage/Stevens.

 

[LHSmith]

j- you come across as irrational-----you are given some great ideas here on rifle choices to reach out further than your present 22/250 and 223....then in the next post you talk about a 20 PPC??
Even if you are not aware that it is ballistically in the same ballpark as your 22/250...... you must have figured out by now your next toy on your wish-list,based on your given parameters) ain't gonna be no 20 caliber.
My suggestion....I agree with the Stevens model 200....available in 243,308,25/06,270, 7mm Rem Mag., & 300 Win. Mag.........You pick the cartridge.....I don't know how recoil tolerant you are.
Go to a range, or ask a buddy, if you can shoot their Whatever cartridge to see what feels comfy for you.
No one cartridge or rifle is the best at everything....it's always a compromise.
BTW- did you consider getting another barrel for your Encore, I believe you stated in an earlier post). There is absolutely nothing wrong with a single shot... .some people are un-godly fast in reloading them.
Just so you know, these factory rifles mentioned are 500 yards max. at best.....the long range,beyond 500 yds) hunting and competition rifles are built with specialty components ...usually designed aound a specific bullet.
So, I'm sorry to say that there ain't no factory rifle made that will "shoot as far as you can see"

 

[jraney]

hey thanks for the info, at one time i had a 270 barrel for my encore but it was short and kicked like a mule. anyhow i do understand that the 20ppc is about the same was just wondering
about it. oh as far as distance where i hunt there is a pipe line that stretches out pretty far that i plan to do some practicing with the varmint rifles to see how they do. even though i do not think the 22-250 would have any problems on deer at long ranges i do not even want to shoot one past 100-150yds with it, things get critical with distance, but coyotes beware, with practice it should not be to difficult. oh and as far as recoil have you ever noticed how much you feel it when target shooting but never when shooting an animal, so i think i
can manage the 308. also what do you all think about a starter
reloading kit made by lee,as seen in cabelas). anyhow thanks again

 

[LHSmith]

Regarding the Encore...there are modifications you can do to reduce "felt" recoil, such as a recoil pad upgrade, muzzle break, or even longer barrels....not familiar with the Encore...I'm sure others could give you more advice on them.
I think most hunters on this forum will agree that the 22/250 is only effective when used short range on deer ...personal opinion =50 yds.
As for the recoil statement.......Don't discount how a kicker can wear you down when practicing...forcing, sometimes unknowingly, bad habits in your shooting form.To me, shooting a 300 win. mag more than 5 shots in one outing is my threshold..YMMV.
Lastly, I started with a Lee over 40 yrs ago....go for it...it opens up a whole new world...you can tailor make your handloads to a new level of performance..at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of factory ammo.Be sure to get at least one other reloading manual and follow the proceedures outlined exactly.