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Flavio Fare' Benchrest Triggers

Flavio Fare’ Triggers

Triggers are a subject you don’t often see discussed on the forums. Why? Well there really isn’t much to say, or is there?

Going back to the days of the 2 oz. trigger that was in the Remington 40XB BR rifles, we bench rest shooters have been pretty happy with our triggers. Maybe a little too happy.

The Jewell 1.5 oz. BR trigger became the bench rest standard, and has remain so for more than two decades. Shooters coming from hunting rifles are always impressed with Jewell BR triggers.

There have been other triggers around, but Jewell has pretty much dominated bench rest.

Just what do we need from a trigger? After all, the only thing a trigger does is release the firing pin/spring to start the ignition process. Well, as it turns out there is a little more to it than that.

It has been stated, loud, and long that triggers, and trigger control, is more important to shoulder fired rifles (position rifles) than to bench rest rifles.
Many even say lock time to a bench rifle isn’t at all important. These statements have some truth. But they aren’t the whole truth.

This lack of concern over our triggers has led us down a path of no improvement in our triggers for 20 + years. It has been a mistake to minimize the importance of the trigger/trigger control in bench rest shooting.

A couple of years ago Bix’ N Andy triggers became available. Made in Austria, a totally new design. Very high tech, and well-engineered. Many thought the price, more than twice that of a Jewell, would limit their success. But that has not been the case.

I’m pretty sensitive to triggers, when I first tried a Bix’ N Andy I was impressed. There was no doubt these were a step up from Jewells. I, along with many others replaced my Jewells triggers.

Then, just two years later, I learned there is yet another new trigger available for actions designed for the Remington pattern.

This newest trigger is the Flavio Fare’ (FF) from Italy.

This trigger is yet another new design, even more high tech, and unlike anything I’ve seen before. It has five miniature ball bearings.

The design is incredible, and the engineering, excellent. These triggers are handmade, very low production, and very high quality. These are the Ferrari of triggers.

Both of these new triggers has come as a complete surprise. Who would have thought, two completely different triggers designs would become available, within two years of each other, to challenge the trigger that had been the bench rest standard for more than two decades?

If you have shot a high quality air rifle, you know they have the best triggers on the planet.

You have to experience one to understand what I’m talking about. You can break the shot at the exact instant you want the shot. You can do it shot after shot, day in, and day out. Always the same feel, and always the same let off, always the same release.

This control, and consistency is extremely important for all shooters not just shoulder shooters.

There are two primary methods of shooting bench rest. One is to hold the rifle and have contact, the other is free recoil, where one has very little contact.

I happen to shoot holding the rifle. I very carefully, and deliberately release each shot. I have developed a habit of testing (teasing the trigger) with increasing pressure until the rifle fires.

It is kind of like milking the trigger. People have watched me do this and asked why. The reason is I never really knew where/when the rifle was going to fire. So I developed this testing method by using very light pressure, just touching the trigger blade and releasing, then touching the blade again increasing the pressure, little by little until the rife fired.

BTW: I’m not the only one that does this. You others know who you are.

I believe, even the heaviest rifles, held in the tightest rest, are affected by the way the trigger is attacked, and how it breaks/releases. The slightest variance will affect shot placement. These new triggers provide controlled, consistency like we have never had before.

Which of the new triggers is best? The Flavio Fare’ (FF), or the Bix’ N Andy?

I’ve shot both, and to me, there is no doubt, the Flavio Fare’ is the best. As a matter of fact, I believe the Flavio Fare’ trigger is as much better than a Bix’ N Andy, as the Bix’ N Andy is to the Jewell.

Dan Killough has also tested the Flavio Fare’ triggers with excellent results.

Dan will be stocking Flavio Fare’ triggers at Killough Shooting Sports (KSS). Check with him on availability. I’m told the price will be comparable to the Bix’ N Andy.

You owe it to yourself to try one. It just may improve your scores. One thing for sure, it will improve your shooting experience.

TKH
 
This style of post makes me cringe every time it is attempted. And just like every other time, it's from a member with zero history.

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ryanjay11 said:
This style of post makes me cringe every time it is attempted. And just like every other time, it's from a member with zero history.

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Rainjay 11,

The tone of the oost might be excessuve with also perhaps business preoccuoation.

It remain however the quality of the FF trigger. Every technicality mentipned istrue.

I have one FF trigger in my collection of some 20+ Match triggers and for me, it is the best single stage lightweight trigger I ever handled.

You cannot charge me for commetcial interests with the FF. Ihad only Email cntact witj them when I bought the trigger for my own evaluation and I paid the price for it.

Now, on a different note, if producers,dealers,designers are prevented to inform on their owv products,it should become a rule valid for all...But who else will then be qualified to inform on their product technicalities??

Robert Chombart...
 
ryanjay11 said:
This style of post makes me cringe every time it is attempted. And just like every other time, it's from a member with zero history.

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LMAO!!! This made my night here at work. I was tearing up laughing after reading the OP!
 
ryanjay11 said:
This style of post makes me cringe every time it is attempted. And just like every other time, it's from a member with zero history

Interesting... someone's number of posts rather than their knowledge and experience are the criteria used to judge their opinion.

Tony Harper is one of the best rimfire benchrest competitors who has ever participated in the sport and a is true gentleman.

Why do you publicly discredit someone when you have no idea of their their credentials or motivation?

Mike Kuklis
 
Flavio Fare is not yet that well known in the US but i think that will change fast once people get their hands on them as they are the really good .Having both FF and Bix i can tell Flavio is more consistent on the trigger pull but Bix has a wider pull weight span while Flavios is only for light weight pulls in 8/10-2 OZ Bix can with change of spring go for higher pull weight but it can't qute match the bottom range. Bix is a design utilising bearing balls instead of levers while FF is actually using ball bearings on the levers.Both are considerably more labor and machining intensive than a Jewel

https://www.bulletcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/BixCompetitionTriggerInside-e1384458948739.jpg
http://www.viperactions.com/miscpics/flavio1.jpg

Jewels and co are nice affordable triggers tailored to mass production with stamped housings but are not even in the same ball park to FF or Bix its like comparing run of the mill sports car to a fully tuned up race car .They might even look the same but factory car would start coming apart on couple of laps on the race course not to mention it would be laped sooner than later.

Don't get me wrong Jewell can be blueprinted to preform much better than it does out of the box(Speedy always blueprints them) but that doesn't come cheap plus bane of Jewells remains ( pierced primer make short work of it)

Farley kinetic (Kinetic is for the weight that slows down the transfer bar reset) is also an interesting one i hope to get my hands on one sometime in the future to see how it compares with other top offerings.
 
Kookie said:
Why do you publicly discredit someone when you have no idea of their their credentials or motivation?

Mike Kuklis


The fact of the matter is, someone who would actually contribute to the forum and see how things operate would never make that style of post, regardless of his or her background. He should know better.
 
ryanjay11 said:
Kookie said:
Why do you publicly discredit someone when you have no idea of their their credentials or motivation?

Mike Kuklis


The fact of the matter is, someone who would actually contribute to the forum and see how things operate would never make that style of post, regardless of his or her background. He should know better.


Ask yourself this question, please...Would you have made the same derogatory reply if his real and screen name was Tony Boyer? In rimfire, he is THE Tony Boyer of the sport. Not only that, but he is a veteran and a standup person.


I have my doubts about how much improvement we can see in actual scores or group sizes by spending "big bucks" on the few new and improved triggers that have come on the scene of late, but I'm always happy to see innovation at work in our small market segment.


Thanks for posting Tony! Now, next time you see me getting pounded on one of the rimfire forums....LOL! ;) ---Mike Ezell
 
"So, will Flavio be at the world br championships and will he have triggers there to buy?"

Will you be there? If so please report your findings.
 
ANY trigger, no matter where it is made, or whatever the price, can slam-fire. The lighter the pull weight, the greater the chance it will happen. Do the trigger makers offer a written warranty that states it can't or won't happen?
 
JRS said:
ANY trigger, no matter where it is made, or whatever the price, can slam-fire. The lighter the pull weight, the greater the chance it will happen. Do the trigger makers offer a written warranty that states it can't or won't happen?

The Bix does not...mine is set pretty under an ounce and tried to get a slam fire out of it, could not. Maybe if its dropped off a cliff it will, but realistically it definitely holds. Jewel or a Kelby won't come close. Its a phenomenal trigger...not even in the same league as the others. Can't comment on a Flavio since I never had my hands on one.
 
ridgeway said:
JRS said:
ANY trigger, no matter where it is made, or whatever the price, can slam-fire. The lighter the pull weight, the greater the chance it will happen. Do the trigger makers offer a written warranty that states it can't or won't happen?

The Bix does not...mine is set pretty under an ounce and tried to get a slam fire out of it, could not. Maybe if its dropped off a cliff it will, but realistically it definitely holds. Jewel or a Kelby won't come close. Its a phenomenal trigger...not even in the same league as the others. Can't comment on a Flavio since I never had my hands on one.
The key words: "can slam-fire". Triggers used in the 2015 Super Shoot top twenty, LV and HV: B&A-10. Jewell-30. So much for Jewell not being in the same league.
 

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