First Ladder ! Please help read !

[JFrank]

What F/L Die are you using?

 

[SavageMark]

What F/L Die are you using?

Redding Full length type S bushing . I was thinking of taking the bushing out . Sizing body , then neck size with the bushing in my Wilson neck sizing die. What do u think ?

 

[KenOath]

Redding Full length type S bushing . I was thinking of taking the bushing out . Sizing body , then neck size with the bushing in my Wilson neck sizing die. What do u think ?

Try a Harrell’s FL Bushing Die..

 

[JFrank]

^^ +1

 

[Northridge]

I haven’t got my bullet run out sorted out yet so I am anywhere from .002 to .006 runout . Im a machinist so I made a bushing with a .27 hole in it . Stick the round in up to the shoulder and apply a little pressure , bending the neck to adjust run out to maybe .002 . I know the correct way is to manage run out problems with the press . But it’s too late now . All 50 rounds are loaded and run out corrected to .002 . Just wondering if anybody else does this .

I personally have in the past, but these days I do not fuss with loaded round run out...

Shawn Williams

 

[Northridge]

Shawn
You’ll have to show that 1000 yard tune so I don’t get beat up to badly. I joined Deep Creek and got my card in mail today from Roger,
Looking forward to meeting the fellas.
Jim

Jim winning at Deep Creek is a revolving door, lots of knowledge and skill on this firing line that's what makes it fun pushing each other off the relay thrown...

Shawn Williams

 

[SavageMark]

Try a Harrell’s FL Bushing Die..

Quick update ! I took out the neck bushing in the F/L die and sized the case . Put the bushing in my Wilson neck sizing die and sized the neck . PRESTO !
.001 fricken run out on 2 rounds in a row . I love it !!!!!!! No more straightening !!!!!!!!

 

[KenOath]

Quick update ! I took out the neck bushing in the F/L die and sized the case . Put the bushing in my Wilson neck sizing die and sized the neck . PRESTO !
.001 fricken run out on 2 rounds in a row . I love it !!!!!!! No more straightening !!!!!!!!

If it’s working for you and you don’t mind sizing in two steps all is well..

 

[JFrank]

Jim winning at Deep Creek is a revolving door, lots of knowledge and skill on this firing line that's what makes it fun pushing each other of the relay thrown...

Shawn Williams

I’m looking forward to learning and improving.

Jim

 

[Dave Way]

View attachment 1102488 Hi Guys !

First ladder ever ! 300 yards , 6BR , 105 hybrid , Varget . A little windy ! All opinions encouraged and welcomed.

Thx

Mark

I don’t claim to be an expert but I will make a couple recommendations. I think you are looking at a ladder that is difficult to interpret. If you have the ability to test at 500 yards the target will likely be easier to interpret since you are looking for a point where multiple charges print at or near the same elevation. Even at 500, single shot ladders can be tricky to interpret. I have had some success doing so but you do run the risk of one errant shot pointing you in the wrong direction. As an example, here is a 500 yard 6BR Improved ladder I shot a week ago.



I guessed my node I wanted to pursue was 30.5 but now I think I got lucky. 30.4, 30.5 and 30.6 showed about half an inch of vertical so I picked the center and shot a 4.5” group at 1K but I’m glad I didn’t stop there. I also liked 30.7, 30.8 but the second ladder test, this time at 1K told a different story.



Please note there are two shots for each charge. I actually started with three but a surprise wind shift forced me to finish the test with 2 shots per charge. On the first ladder, 30.4 printed above 30.6 and below 30.5. Not so on this target, and I put more faith in this one.

Now 30.5 and 30.6 still seem to overlap but 30.4 prints low. Next group testing will be at 30.55.

30.7 and 30.8 printed together at 500 but at 1K the second 30.8 shot which you can’t see in the photo, printed about 6” higher than the first. Had I chased say 30.75 I would have been wasting time.

The best advice I can give would be shoot ladders at the longest distance possible, if not the range you intend to compete or shoot at. Wait for the best conditions you can. Shooting multiple shots, especially as the range gets longer, should improve your confidence level in the results.

Dave.

 

[KenOath]

I don’t claim to be an expert but I will make a couple recommendations. I think you are looking at a ladder that is difficult to interpret. If you have the ability to test at 500 yards the target will likely be easier to interpret since you are looking for a point where multiple charges print at or near the same elevation. Even at 500, single shot ladders can be tricky to interpret. I have had some success doing so but you do run the risk of one errant shot pointing you in the wrong direction. As an example, here is a 500 yard 6BR Improved ladder I shot a week ago.

View attachment 1103578

I guessed my node I wanted to pursue was 30.5 but now I think I got lucky. 30.4, 30.5 and 30.6 showed about half an inch of vertical so I picked the center and shot a 4.5” group at 1K but I’m glad I didn’t stop there. I also liked 30.7, 30.8 but the second ladder test, this time at 1K told a different story.

View attachment 1103586

Please note there are two shots for each charge. I actually started with three but a surprise wind shift forced me to finish the test with 2 shots per charge. On the first ladder, 30.4 printed above 30.6 and below 30.5. Not so on this target, and I put more faith in this one.

Now 30.5 and 30.6 still still to overlap but 30.4 prints low. Next group testing will be at 30.55.

30.7 and 30.8 printed together at 500 but at 1K the second 30.8 shot which you can’t see in the photo, printed about 6” higher than the first. Had I chased say 30.75 I would have been wasting time.

The best advice I can give would be shoot ladders at the longest distance possible, if not the range you intend to compete or shoot at. Wait for the best conditions you can. Shooting multiple shots, especially as the range gets longer, should improve your confidence level in the results.

Dave.

Curious why 30.1 - 30.2 and 30.3 didn’t get a second look, there elevation is very close to one another? 30.2 being in the middle would have been my choice..

 

[Dave Way]

Curious why 30.1 - 30.2 and 30.3 didn’t get a second look, there elevation is very close to one another? 30.2 being in the middle would have been my choice..

I would have and may still go there if a higher node doesn’t pan out but it’s looking like I have a pretty good barrel here and I hate to waste too many rounds in load development. My experience has been that higher nodes end up being the most accurate at range, not to mention the slight ballistic advantage they offer.

Dave.

 

[JFrank]

I don’t claim to be an expert but I will make a couple recommendations. I think you are looking at a ladder that is difficult to interpret. If you have the ability to test at 500 yards the target will likely be easier to interpret since you are looking for a point where multiple charges print at or near the same elevation. Even at 500, single shot ladders can be tricky to interpret. I have had some success doing so but you do run the risk of one errant shot pointing you in the wrong direction. As an example, here is a 500 yard 6BR Improved ladder I shot a week ago.

View attachment 1103578

I guessed my node I wanted to pursue was 30.5 but now I think I got lucky. 30.4, 30.5 and 30.6 showed about half an inch of vertical so I picked the center and shot a 4.5” group at 1K but I’m glad I didn’t stop there. I also liked 30.7, 30.8 but the second ladder test, this time at 1K told a different story.

View attachment 1103586

Please note there are two shots for each charge. I actually started with three but a surprise wind shift forced me to finish the test with 2 shots per charge. On the first ladder, 30.4 printed above 30.6 and below 30.5. Not so on this target, and I put more faith in this one.

Now 30.5 and 30.6 still seem to overlap but 30.4 prints low. Next group testing will be at 30.55.

30.7 and 30.8 printed together at 500 but at 1K the second 30.8 shot which you can’t see in the photo, printed about 6” higher than the first. Had I chased say 30.75 I would have been wasting time.

The best advice I can give would be shoot ladders at the longest distance possible, if not the range you intend to compete or shoot at. Wait for the best conditions you can. Shooting multiple shots, especially as the range gets longer, should improve your confidence level in the results.

Dave.

Nicely Done,
Thanks for posting Dave.
Jim

 

[SavageMark]

I don’t claim to be an expert but I will make a couple recommendations. I think you are looking at a ladder that is difficult to interpret. If you have the ability to test at 500 yards the target will likely be easier to interpret since you are looking for a point where multiple charges print at or near the same elevation. Even at 500, single shot ladders can be tricky to interpret. I have had some success doing so but you do run the risk of one errant shot pointing you in the wrong direction. As an example, here is a 500 yard 6BR Improved ladder I shot a week ago.

View attachment 1103578

I guessed my node I wanted to pursue was 30.5 but now I think I got lucky. 30.4, 30.5 and 30.6 showed about half an inch of vertical so I picked the center and shot a 4.5” group at 1K but I’m glad I didn’t stop there. I also liked 30.7, 30.8 but the second ladder test, this time at 1K told a different story.

View attachment 1103586

Please note there are two shots for each charge. I actually started with three but a surprise wind shift forced me to finish the test with 2 shots per charge. On the first ladder, 30.4 printed above 30.6 and below 30.5. Not so on this target, and I put more faith in this one.

Now 30.5 and 30.6 still seem to overlap but 30.4 prints low. Next group testing will be at 30.55.

30.7 and 30.8 printed together at 500 but at 1K the second 30.8 shot which you can’t see in the photo, printed about 6” higher than the first. Had I chased say 30.75 I would have been wasting time.

The best advice I can give would be shoot ladders at the longest distance possible, if not the range you intend to compete or shoot at. Wait for the best conditions you can. Shooting multiple shots, especially as the range gets longer, should improve your confidence level in the results.

Dave.

Thanks for the info Dave ! Makes a lot of sense . Im concerned about my own personal ladder tests due to me being a novice shooter . I pull a shot here and there which makes ladder reading difficult . Also if u look at shots 7,8 and 9 , 7&9 are right together with 8 being way out, probably my doing . Just in case I loaded 10 rounds of shot 8 (29.5g). Will update this weekend how it shot !

Thx again

 

[SavageMark]

I don’t claim to be an expert but I will make a couple recommendations. I think you are looking at a ladder that is difficult to interpret. If you have the ability to test at 500 yards the target will likely be easier to interpret since you are looking for a point where multiple charges print at or near the same elevation. Even at 500, single shot ladders can be tricky to interpret. I have had some success doing so but you do run the risk of one errant shot pointing you in the wrong direction. As an example, here is a 500 yard 6BR Improved ladder I shot a week ago.

View attachment 1103578

I guessed my node I wanted to pursue was 30.5 but now I think I got lucky. 30.4, 30.5 and 30.6 showed about half an inch of vertical so I picked the center and shot a 4.5” group at 1K but I’m glad I didn’t stop there. I also liked 30.7, 30.8 but the second ladder test, this time at 1K told a different story.

View attachment 1103586

Please note there are two shots for each charge. I actually started with three but a surprise wind shift forced me to finish the test with 2 shots per charge. On the first ladder, 30.4 printed above 30.6 and below 30.5. Not so on this target, and I put more faith in this one.

Now 30.5 and 30.6 still seem to overlap but 30.4 prints low. Next group testing will be at 30.55.

30.7 and 30.8 printed together at 500 but at 1K the second 30.8 shot which you can’t see in the photo, printed about 6” higher than the first. Had I chased say 30.75 I would have been wasting time.

The best advice I can give would be shoot ladders at the longest distance possible, if not the range you intend to compete or shoot at. Wait for the best conditions you can. Shooting multiple shots, especially as the range gets longer, should improve your confidence level in the results.

Dave.

This 300 yard .5 group was shot using 28.7 . Loaded up 50 and hopefully shooting first match in morning with it . Hope it works !

Thx

Mark

 

[JFrank]

Wonder how the match went

 

[SavageMark]

Wonder how the match went

Had to work late last night , couldn’t do it on 2 hrs sleep , but did go shooting . Shot 500 yards quite a bit . Don’t know how u guys are getting 2.5” groups ! Lol . For 20 rounds I scored 198 . Guess not awful , but I want to do better . I’ll go again next weekend and try again . Mirage was horrible . Need to get a fan .
Thx for asking !

 

[JohnMill]

Anyone here remember Jason Baney's 1000 yard ladder test? Just a question.

You don't have to remember it You (not "you" you Don) can look it up in the articles file. It's great and understandable. That's why I never understand the confusion. If they are going to do a ladder test do it, not "one shot per charge,can't understand why I don't group". It's a roadmap. Easy.