F Class Rifle Recoil (243 something) for daughter

[Sjett]

Need advise for a 1k F Class rifle for daughter. She is currently shooting a 6BR rifle that is one of my sling guns, Its weight is right at 13# with 30" barrel at 300,500 and 600yds. We live close enough to a 1k range i want her to be able to shoot and not have to much wind problems. I have a .236/.243 1-7.5 twist heavy straight taper barrel to put on an action and a stock. Weight will come out to 20# or so finished. My question is , is a 243 std , 243 AI or the 6mmSLR have that much more recoil shooting 105s compaired to the BR. Barrel wear isnt to big of a concern since she may shot no more the 500 rds a year through it. The one person i knew at our local range that had a 6mmSLR passed away before we had a chance to do a range day for her to shoot it 2 weeks ago. Thanks guys for all and any input.

 

[jr600yd]

6 Dasher, 6 BRX will do fine.

 

[FatBoy]

I stepped my daughter up from 6BR to 6 Dasher Norma, same barrel contour, and she noted no difference in recoil. I would think the 243win will recoil more, but the weight of the strait cylinder should temper it.

Never hurts to run the numbers:

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmrecoil-5.1.cgi

 

[Lougler]

I think any of your choices would be pleasant to shoot in a 20lb rifle. I have a 20lb 6XC and my 9 year old handles it fine.

 

[Sjett]

I have a 6 Dasher for my midrange sling rifle, and shooting 105 hybrids the wind can catch me off guard and i can drop a point or two at 1000yds with it. I was hoping for the extra velocity to help. I had look at 6xc but didnt want to hot rod the brass that much

 

[Berger.Fan222]

I'd worry more about barrel life than recoil. Some young ladies I know will burn through 3000 rounds in F-Class pretty fast.

 

[ShootDots]

A 6 Dasher or a 6XC should fit the bill nicely! Recoil is nearly nonexistent, torque IS nonexistent and accuracy is off the scale. Either will do very well at 1000 yards IF (and this is a BIG "IF") the winds are "mild".. However, at 600 yards and closer, there are precious few rounds that can out perform them and still have nearly nonexistent recoil! You would be well advised to look closely at these rounds for your intentions..

 

[wapiti25]

I would go with the 6 Dasher

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Just had another 6SLR build for some Fopen and a couple other comps. All said and done I hope to have it just under 20# so recoil wont be a problem, should get the rifle this week!! A Dasher or BRA should also do what you need with even less recoil and longer barrel life

 

[Kings X]

1. Get the rifle weight up to 22 pounds.
2. Calculate recoil of present gun. I get about 6 ft pounds
3. Calculate new caliber using 22 pound gun weight. My 284 with 180s at 2800 is only 8 pounds.
I know many juniors are shooting 308s with 185s in F/TR on 18 pound guns.
6.5 x 47 would me the minimum I would suggest for 1K. A light load 284 gives you the option of being able to go faster like the other kids are shooting in F Open.

 

[Sjett]

Just had another 6SLR build for some Fopen and a couple other comps. All said and done I hope to have it just under 20# so recoil wont be a problem, should get the rifle this week!! A Dasher or BRA should also do what you need with even less recoil and longer barrel life

What was the barrel life on the other 6slr .

 

[johnfred1965]

If you look at a 6xc next to a 6 creedmoor, the cartridges are almost identical. Depending on which brass you use, the creed could be a cost saver, plus, as a last resort, Hornady will be loading ammo for it. I'm sure others will also, since it seems to be taking off just like the 6.5 did. Out of a 20lb rifle, it should be a popgun. Good velocity and high BC bullets for 1000 yds. Dang, now I have to save up some money, just about talked myself into one!

 

[rardoin]

I have a 6 Creedmoor on a 12lb rifle/ 26" Med Palma taper shooting 115gr at 3005-3020fps and recoil is very mild. On a heavier gun it would be a pussycat capable of pushing a heavy 6mm at 3000-3100fps. Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor to 6 creedmoor in a single stroke (Petersen is speaking of 6 Creedmoor brass as a possibility in the future). I can't say that the barrel life is better than a .243 yet but using Rl-16 I can push the 115gr at 3000+ with ease (using less powder than a .243 Win for sure)and no compression of the load but the boat tail is exactly at the neck/shoulder junction with 0.140" freebore. A 108gr or less will have more wriggle room or a longer throat for the 115's.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

What was the barrel life on the other 6slr .

Pulled the barrel @ just over 2k rounds and it was still shooting very well at 600y but the barrel was getting rough and coppering allot. I abused the barrel at times trying to get to much out off it but Im sure I would have bee able to get a couple 100 more rounds on target at 600 but at a 1000y I would start to get "flyers" every now and then. With a bit more love and setting the new barrel back after around 1200 rounds I hope to get around 2500 accurate 1000y shots, for a 243 type case pushing a 105 around 3100 i dont think you can really ask for more

 

[missed]

Or 6mm comp match. I'll be transitioning to it next year when the 6x47 barrel gives it up. My daughter will be getting a comp match also, that will be a 12-14# PRS style rifle

 

[XTR]

The "downside" as it were for the 6 Comp Match is that you have to fire form the brass. The SLR resizes the brass with a sizing die with no fire forming.

This thread pretty much went where I expected it to, that is people eventually named all the 6s as possible options. Which is pretty much the case.

For an F class rifle I personally would not pick something that needs fire forming. Too much brass needed to play the game. Then again I go to big matches and need to be able to load 450 or more cases at once. If you were only shooting club matches and never shot more than 6x20 weekends you might get by with 200 or so cases and it would be less of a big deal, but it is another step.

 

[Sjett]

Guys this is giving me a lot of information to think on and the 6 creed is a good thought I haven't thought of. As far as fire forming isn't a problem I fire form the dasher at midrange practice and barrel break in.

 

[Sjett]

I alway buy 1000 case for what ever cartridge I shoot . So I have the weight groups of cases I want.

 

[Zero333]

I think a 20 lb 243win rifle will not recoil any more than a 13 lb 6br rifle.

 

[B Mize]

I have a nice 6.5x47L in the classifieds that would fit her need I think.