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F-Class acceptable accuracy?

Well for the hell of it today I took out one of my hunting rifles to see what happens at 550 yards. Sent a few foulers down at 300. Then shot a 5 shot group at 550 with my .243-06 in about 4 mins. First group set went about 12" off center due to wind. The wind was fairly steady, so I just corrected by aiming 12" over on the target. This rifle takes about 3-4 foulers before it really starts shooting. That was followed by my good group. I know it's not 600 yards, it's not 20 shots, it's not a rifle I would use in competition, (it's my coyote gun), and my rest wasn't the best (shot off my hunting pack)..... so on and so on... but with a 9" 10 ring, and a 4 1/2" X ring and a 1.5 inch center bull, I had one 1/2" out from center, 3x's and two in the 10's just outside the X ring. 5 shots went 3 7/8", and four of five went 2.5". If my calculations are correct, that 0.7 MOA on this rifle at 550 with this one group. These were all fire forming loads too.

The rifle is a #5 contour 26" Rock Creek on a FN commercial Mauser devcon bedded floated, and a sako trigger. With a cheaper 4.5-14x40 old style Nikon Buckmaster. Shooting 105 Amax at 3250 FPS.

Like I said, just kinda testing myself, but it makes me want to get started on my new F-Class Open rifle.

I have the target I can put up a photo, but don't have a scanner or camera handy.
 
Anyone can find an excuse to stay home. Grab a rifle and get on the line. You'll have fun. The 7mmRM is a cannon, but if you're not a regular competitor at long range the wind will take way more points from you than your loads or rifle.
 
XTR said:
Anyone can find an excuse to stay home. Grab a rifle and get on the line. You'll have fun. The 7mmRM is a cannon, but if you're not a regular competitor at long range the wind will take way more points from you than your loads or rifle.

Yup..... ;) Go shootin and have fun....

Rod
 
Spiter_er, One thing you did not memtion was what bullet weight your getting these groups with. When shooting long range you need to use a heavy for caliber bullet, one with a high BC. High BC bullets drift a lot less in the wind than the low BC bullets. If your gun will not group well with the heavy bullets you have 2 strikes against you when you start.
 
Being a 7mm. You will have to shoot F/Open. Bottom line even in F/open those that can shoot 1 moa at 1000yds consistently will WIN! Even in F/open and the best of the best equipment shooting a 200... doesn't come so often! Not at 1000yd! There are some FTR shooters even putting up scores that are competitive against F/open shooters! More less it is going to come down to the shooter more than the equipment, or Caliber!
 
Sometimes at less than 1000, too. I was beaten by German Salazar in a Mid Range Regional when he was shooting F-T/R and I was shooting 6BR F-O. To make it worse, it was on my home range. :(
 
The load I have worked up for the 7 Mag is with the 162 A-max runnig at 2,700 fps! I have to fine tune that lower node a little yet, cause I was looking and my ES was 40 for 5 shots which of course is not where I want to be. I loaded these before I had a chrony and didn't spend much time working up a load after I shoot several good groups with this load.

I have decided to build myself a 6.5x47 Lapua. I have a 6.5-280 Imp that I reaally enjoy shooting, but that is another one of my hunting rifles.

I have been tossing back the 6XC and the .284 win, but figure the the 6.5X47 would be a good balance of cost efficiency, high bc bullets, and minimal recoil.

The local club only shoots out to 600, so unless I get really good and decide to go to other venues I don't think I'll be shooting past 600. 1,000 sounds like fun though. Also back in my hometown they have a really nice 500 meter range which I try and shoot at every time I go there which is about once a month. Always nice and windy there out in the open.
 
deadlyswift said:
Being a 7mm. You will have to shoot F/Open. Bottom line even in F/open those that can shoot 1 moa at 1000yds consistently will WIN! Even in F/open and the best of the best equipment shooting a 200... doesn't come so often! Not at 1000yd! There are some FTR shooters even putting up scores that are competitive against F/open shooters! More less it is going to come down to the shooter more than the equipment, or Caliber!

Not from my experience. 1 moa is 10 inches at 1000 yards and the bull is 1/2 moa (5 inches). Theres alots of bulls out there.

And then theres that pesky wind thang going on.
 
sailhertoo said:
deadlyswift said:
Being a 7mm. You will have to shoot F/Open. Bottom line even in F/open those that can shoot 1 moa at 1000yds consistently will WIN! Even in F/open and the best of the best equipment shooting a 200... doesn't come so often! Not at 1000yd! There are some FTR shooters even putting up scores that are competitive against F/open shooters! More less it is going to come down to the shooter more than the equipment, or Caliber!

Not from my experience. 1 moa is 10 inches at 1000 yards and the bull is 1/2 moa (5 inches). Theres alots of bulls out there.

And then theres that pesky wind thang going on.

Yes 1 moa is 10" and 5" is 1/2 moa at 1000yds. However the best target ever shot in F class was shot by Danny Briggs in 2011 at the SW Berger Nationals. That target was a 200 15X Yes very impressive no doubt! Although even that is not .5moa!

I will trade all my Xs for all clean targets at any distance. I guarantee you... If I could do that I would win every title there is to be won.

Take a 5 relay match and 20rnds for record. Man (A) shoots a 999 100X. Man (B) shoots a 1000 1X. Man (B) wins the match with shooting 1moa. Yes Man (A) beats Man (B) in X count, But Man (A) also beats Man (B) in 9s too. ;) Like the saying goes 10s WIN. Xs are just the icing on the cake
 
deadlyswift said:
sailhertoo said:
deadlyswift said:
Being a 7mm. You will have to shoot F/Open. Bottom line even in F/open those that can shoot 1 moa at 1000yds consistently will WIN! Even in F/open and the best of the best equipment shooting a 200... doesn't come so often! Not at 1000yd! There are some FTR shooters even putting up scores that are competitive against F/open shooters! More less it is going to come down to the shooter more than the equipment, or Caliber!

Not from my experience. 1 moa is 10 inches at 1000 yards and the bull is 1/2 moa (5 inches). Theres alots of bulls out there.

And then theres that pesky wind thang going on.


Yes 1 moa is 10" and 5" is 1/2 moa at 1000yds. However the best target ever shot in F class was shot by Danny Briggs in 2011 at the SW Berger Nationals. That target was a 200 15X Yes very impressive no doubt! Although even that is not .5moa!

I will trade all my Xs for all clean targets at any distance. I guarantee you... If I could do that I would win every title there is to be won.

Take a 5 relay match and 20rnds for record. Man (A) shoots a 999 100X. Man (B) shoots a 1000 1X. Man (B) wins the match with shooting 1moa. Yes Man (A) beats Man (B) in X count, But Man (A) also beats Man (B) in 9s too. ;) Like the saying goes 10s WIN. Xs are just the icing on the cake

You are correct. Except for the part about 999-100X since you can't drop one point and still have a perfect "X" count. But I too would trade "X's" for points.
 
I agree that anyone able to hold a <1 MOA group at 1000 yards -Perfectly Centered- will do well. At 1000, 1MOA = 10.47"

If you can count on the target puller to accurately tell if you touched the ring or not, it would just barely make a clean at 1MOA (So long as your bullet holes are bigger than .235")

I agree with Erik as well. I'd take a clean with zero X's over a 199 with 19X
 
Thanks again guys for all the info, it all gives me food for thought. I talked with my grandfather in-law today, the guy that taught me almost everything I know about building rifles and shooting. 50 years experience smithing and shooting BR. He is going through chemo, and they gave him a year, so I think this could be my last build with him, hopefully not, but you never know.

We were shooting today and it was a good 15-20 mph crosswind. We went out to 600 with my 243-06 Imp, and dropped 3 in a 2" goup. The more I shoot LR the more I want to get going on my build.
 

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