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fr3db3ar

There's no rest for the wicked......I'm tired
Let me start by saying I am nowhere near the class of shooters that appear to frequent this board, but I do appreciate and desire accurate guns.

I currently have a Stevens 200 in .223 that I've got shooting 69 SMKs to 1/2 MOA @ 100 on a regular basis.

Yesterday I took my weekly range trip and shooting from Harris bipod front and unsupported rear (left arm crossed over and holding, no bags) 5 rounds each I'm shooting 1MOA @ 200 and 3/4 MOA @ 400.

What would be your next step at tightening these up under field conditions?

All opinions are appreciated.

I love to take what most would consider mediocre rifles and make them shoot great.

Also be aware I was a traditional archery guy for 30 years so I could get up close and personal with game and for the last year or so I've been working on my long range skill set.

And......how the hell do you guys eliminate your heart beat showing even @ 14 power....what a pain in timing. ;D
 
As an afterthought I thought I shouldn't make a long story short.

Current load data
69 SMK
Loaded to fit AR mag length 2.8 I think
Varget
LC brass once fired (not from this gun) FL sized
CCI 400 primers
 
The heart beat issue is a matter of muscle tension. If you loosen up a touch, it should not be so noticeable. At the worst, I can get the crosshairs to move no more than 1/4 MOA.

Try taking less of your body weight on your arms (assuming that you are shooting prone or at a bench). With a 223 you should be able to shoot it with by little hold pressure or grip.

Learning how to make your body help instead of hinder your shooting is a lot of the fun.
 
I'm not sure what you're options are for a Stevens, but a good trigger would also be one of the first places I'd start. You don't need/want a super light BR trigger but something that breaks clean/consistent @ 1 to 2 lbs would be a good place to start.

Unsupported? I'm not sure exactly how you're doing it, but you can make a fist with your left hand to support the rear of the stock. Squeezing your fist will give you some elevation control. Maybe that's what you're already doing. A small field/squeeze bag to support the rear of your stock would be a good place to improve (and get rid of the rear sling stud).

What is the twist on your barrel? Is a longer bullet an option? Over 300 yards, it's all about BC.

Does your Stevens use an AR mag? Not sure why you're loading to fit that mag. Use as much length as you can. If you want to maximize your options, use it as a single shot, and tune your load as best you can (possibly jamming).

Good luck!

-nosualc
 
I would suggest two things. Preload the bipod legs, and do a lot of dry fire practice, in position, paying attention to how the cross hairs move as the shot breaks, and your follow through. When shooting with less than ideal support, the position of your finger on the trigger, and the direction of pull become even more important than when the rifle is well supported. Often shooters get their hand comfortable on the stock, and then make contact with the trigger in a way that is the result of that hand position, when it would be better to let the desired trigger contact point and direction of pull determine where the hand is placed. Another thing is to keep adding pressure till the shot breaks. It is worth noting that paying close attention to the wind is also very important. Roughly speaking, the effect of a given cross wind quadruples when the distance is doubled, and is around nine times greater when the distance is tripled. This factor alone, could be responsible for most of your group size (in MOA) increases.
 
nosualc said:
I'm not sure what you're options are for a Stevens, but a good trigger would also be one of the first places I'd start. You don't need/want a super light BR trigger but something that breaks clean/consistent @ 1 to 2 lbs would be a good place to start.

Unsupported? I'm not sure exactly how you're doing it, but you can make a fist with your left hand to support the rear of the stock. Squeezing your fist will give you some elevation control. Maybe that's what you're already doing. A small field/squeeze bag to support the rear of your stock would be a good place to improve (and get rid of the rear sling stud).

What is the twist on your barrel? Is a longer bullet an option? Over 300 yards, it's all about BC.

Does your Stevens use an AR mag? Not sure why you're loading to fit that mag. Use as much length as you can. If you want to maximize your options, use it as a single shot, and tune your load as best you can (possibly jamming).

Good luck!

-nosualc
First of all, thanks for the responses. NOS, the twist is 9. IIRC it has a Timney trigger (I traded for this and a Savage 93 at the same time and one had a Timney the other a Rifle Basix) It's at least smooth and crisp.

I tried some 80s one time even though I knew it was unlikey to handle my twist.....I couldn't get even these bullets to touch the lands with less than minimal insertion into the case. This thing I assume just has a looooong throat. Or it's all shot out and I don't know it ;D

I have one set of dies that I don't want to adjust a lot and also load 55 vmax for my R-15.

Also shooting a DPMS Oracle 308 so holding one tighter than the other will take some thought process when shooting.

BoydAllen said:
I would suggest two things. Preload the bipod legs, and do a lot of dry fire practice, in position, paying attention to how the cross hairs move as the shot breaks, and your follow through. When shooting with less than ideal support, the position of your finger on the trigger, and the direction of pull become even more important than when the rifle is well supported. Often shooters get their hand comfortable on the stock, and then make contact with the trigger in a way that is the result of that hand position, when it would be better to let the desired trigger contact point and direction of pull determine where the hand is placed. Another thing is to keep adding pressure till the shot breaks. It is worth noting that paying close attention to the wind is also very important. Roughly speaking, the effect of a given cross wind quadruples when the distance is doubled, and is around nine times greater when the distance is tripled. This factor alone, could be responsible for most of your group size (in MOA) increases.

How would you recommend pre loading the bipod on a wooden or contrete bench without a front stop? I think currently I'm in the field of people who grip the stock and put too much finger on the trigger, it just feels so awkward trying to shoot with only the finger tip. I'll work on that. Also, I've been struggling with the wind at our range for a while now. It will be blowing over my shoulder from right to left at the table and 90* left to right at the target, and of course there are the shorter distance berms that redirect the wind at their leisure it seems. I should put out some flags but I'm working on reading the grass and mirage for strength and direction as there aren't likely to be flags out in the hunting field.

I pretty much just lucked into this load working so well with the Stevens, I can't seem to get my AR's below MOA and the 308 is good one day and not so much the next.

I'm still working out loads. What I've done is zero @ 100, shoot at 400, knowing the absolutes like temp, BC, and changing the velocity to match known drops.

Yesterday the Stevens is zero @ 100, calculated dialup for 200 put me 2" high and calculated dial up for 400 was pretty much right on.

Last week the 308 elevation @ 400 was right on, but yesterday the same elevation settings put my 4" low.

Lots to still work out in this game.
 
Me ,being a traditional bowhunter has decidedly as I am getting older,to let the weapon do its work also. If you have a basically stock stevens 200 shooting that good,the only thing better would be a good cut rifled barrel and a good stock ,and bed it.
 
I have not tried this, but is there any reason that you could not clamp a 2x2 across the bench, to have something to use as a stop for your bipod legs?

On the trigger pull....IMO your finger should contact the trigger about half way between the tip and the first joint, and your pull should be straight back, in line with the CL of the barrel. I would work from that arrangement and put the hand where ever it has to be for trigger contact and direction of pull to be correct.

We all have bad habits...that feel comfortable, as they are. That is because there was no one there to teach most of us how to do it right, when we started out.....so now, in many cases, wrong feels right, and right wrong. Kind of reminds me of when I took a couple of golf lessons, after playing for some time. The correct swing sure felt strange.
 
Sky, thanks for that link

Boyd, you are absolutely correct about ingrained bad training in all things.
 

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