Eric Cortina's 500 yard BlackJack Challenge

[Florida Wally]

Do you have to use a suppressor in all of these type of events?

Only if you are one of the cool kids

 

[Florida Wally]

Yep, I’m trying to figure out if the old Redfield target iron sights qualify for the $5,000 challenge, or if it has to be the grade of open iron sights of my Remington 870 12 gauge.

I’m sure the Redfield sights will be okay if you have an EC tuner brake

 

[davidjoe]

I’m sure the Redfield sights will be okay if you have an EC tuner brake

This is my secret plan because I don’t think you can see the smaller ones.

Measure and mock up the target. Take my best iron sight gun and the mockup outside and practice the click value down the rack, aiming only at the biggest square.

 

[6Creed73]

Geez that’s some good shooting!! Two inch target at 500 yards is amazing to me, I was just trying like heck to hit a one inch target at 300 meters at the tack driver.

Yeah, it's impressive...that's under 1/2 moa. I'm used to shooting targets in PRS that are 1-3 moa, the 1 moa targets can be difficult at that distance. 1/2 moa at 500 yards would be a challenge for me, but I'd love to try it.

 

[DirtySteve]

The 12 shot limit doesn't seem to be fair to the fast shooters.

Speed is fine but accuracy is final.

 

[Florida Wally]

This is my secret plan because I don’t think you can see the smaller ones.

Measure and mock up the target. Take my best iron sight gun and the mockup outside and practice the click value down the rack, aiming only at the biggest square.

I think you are correct, at 500yds the smaller targets

This is my secret plan because I don’t think you can see the smaller ones.

Measure and mock up the target. Take my best iron sight gun and the mockup outside and practice the click value down the rack, aiming only at the biggest square.

I think you are correct, smaller targets wouldn’t visible through irons. Your “secret” plan is brilliant! You would need a very good zero though. Although, if you could use a spotting scope and were able to see where you are hitting the target, you could adjust your click value from target to target based on where you are hitting the target. Kind of like chasing the spotter.

 

[Topstrap]

Peep sight competitors get a spotter? No way they can see their hits/misses and make a correction. Looks interesting.

 

[Chubbs]

I think you are correct, at 500yds the smaller targets
I think you are correct, smaller targets wouldn’t visible through irons. Your “secret” plan is brilliant! You would need a very good zero though. Although, if you could use a spotting scope and were able to see where you are hitting the target, you could adjust your click value from target to target based on where you are hitting the target. Kind of like chasing the spotter.

Isn't the point no optics to be used. Whether on the gun or not.

 

[Florida Wally]

Isn't the point no optics to be used. Whether on the gun or not.

Competitors in NRA Highpower competitions are allowed the use of a spotting scope. Shooters with iron sights use spotting scopes so they are able to see the shot spotter on the target marking the last shot. Also, spotting scopes are used to see the mirage. I have seen a shooter in an NRA Highpower match look through a spotting scope and through his iron sights simultaneously while shooting.

 

[Bat Rastard]

I have seen a shooter in an NRA Highpower match look through a spotting scope and through his iron sights simultaneously while shooting.

That there is a talented individual.

 

[Topstrap]

A scoped shooter can see mirage and his hits/misses and can slightly tweak their hold Just thinking the difficulty of using peeps but not having any idea where their shot goes in really handicapping them. Not my game to run though, just observations from shooting longrange matches with peeps in CF and rimfire.

Unless you've competed with peep sights and although they can be very accurate it's nowhere near as easy as some can make it appear. Wish it wasn't a two day drive to try it.

Topstrap

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

I just watched all three (3) of them. Very interesting concept indeed. The thing that I noticed on a large percentage of the shooters though were the feed issues. It seems like about 50% of them at one point or another had feeding issues. The one (1) guy had ejection issues that were the cause, but what is the story on the others? Just seems like an awful lot of issues for guns that are so meticulously put together and maintained.

I don't own a firearm like any of those in the videos. I'm primarily bolt action hunting rifles, so this is interesting to me. Curious to see what you all thought about that?

Was thinking the same thing when I first watched it. Some of those custom actions look mighty ruf

 

[Sandstorm]

A large percentage of those feeding issues where magazine related. In some cases the were not correctly inserted and other times they just didnt seem to work with the actions used. Im thinking its the result of a bad combination of parts. Good parts just not matched well for the intended use. ( Hell I single feed so what do I know.) ..just my thoughts and worth nothin..lol

 

[6Creed73]

A large percentage of those feeding issues where magazine related. In some cases the were not correctly inserted and other times they just didnt seem to work with the actions used. Im thinking its the result of a bad combination of parts. Good parts just not matched well for the intended use. ( Hell I single feed so what do I know.) ..just my thoughts and worth nothin..lol

I didn't watch all of them, so I'm not sure what cartridges are being used...but the short fat cartridges like 6BR and 6 Dasher can be finicky feeding from a magazine.

 

[JEFFPPC]

The 12 shot limit doesn't seem to be fair to the fast shooters.

I don't think it's a spray and pray game. Most of the groundhogs matches in my area shoot 1.5 or 1.0 inch 10 rings at 500 yds. Don't miss many or any if you expect to win.

 

[Ccrider]

I don't think it's a spray and pray game. Most of the groundhogs matches in my area shoot 1.5 or 1.0 inch 10 rings at 500 yds. Don't miss many or any if you expect to win.

Hmmm? So they agg 1 inch ten shot groups at 500? What are they shooting?

 

[JEFFPPC]

I did not say that. You must me a lawyer, lol. No but 1.0 is half of 2.0. Now 2.0 is good shooting, but so is 1.0. I have shot perfect scores multiple times as have a couple of others. But shooting 200, 300, 400 yds and the 200 I believe is 5/8s is equally difficult, 5 shots at each distance. The one range allows no sighters. Sit down and shoot, first and all shots count. And until Eric's group get to the 2.0 the early shots provide sighters.It looks like a fun game but they can keep their mag fed fumble guns....I'll stick to an opposite port single shot. Lots of small six's. I use either a 6PPC or a 6BRX depending on conditions. Both are light guns so sometimes I shoot the PPC in heavy and the BRX in light. Figure that out, lol.

 

[DarkStar]

Competitors in NRA Highpower competitions are allowed the use of a spotting scope. Shooters with iron sights use spotting scopes so they are able to see the shot spotter on the target marking the last shot. Also, spotting scopes are used to see the mirage. I have seen a shooter in an NRA Highpower match look through a spotting scope and through his iron sights simultaneously while shooting.

That's pretty much the optimum spotting scope position. Close enough to go from the spotting scope to the sights just by either moving the eyes or focusing on the sights with the shooting eye. No head movement from the scope to the sights. I still do this even with 20x optics on the gun in Match Rifle.

It's the best way to get the fastest, most current conditions just prior to taking the shot and going back to the spotting scope to check post-shot conditions. No delay due head movement.

 

[davidjoe]

This is my secret plan because I don’t think you can see the smaller ones.

Measure and mock up the target. Take my best iron sight gun and the mockup outside and practice the click value down the rack, aiming only at the biggest square.

Through the peep sight, at 200 yards.



A Mosin Nagant didn’t pull off the impossible.

Because it’s not Merican. I’m volunteering to embarrass myself. That dot at 200 yards isn’t that easy to see, and it’s bigger than 1 moa! It’s far thinner than the post.

But, good gracious will the gun shoot flat. 2 minutes for 12 shots on six targets leaves me no time to mess around with a bolt action forcing a difficult requisition of the target.

But, my favorite rounds need to suck their guts in to fit in a magazine. How can I pull off 80 grainers in the magazine?

 

[SSchnd]

Did you see the poor guys trying to use a Mosin Nagant of all things with un tested milsurp ammo for the open sight challenge?!! oh my I applaud the ambition but that would be far from my desired iron sight rifle for the task.