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Elmer Keith a mans man

jimmb

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Never got to meet the man but he was someone of great interest. Reading his books he lived life very large.... A real nice guy for a gun writer too from what I am told. Would talk to anyone and never talked down to anyone. Some of his experiences living in the west as a guide and cowboy are just too good. One thing I always wondered... He loved large caliber guns. Nothing under .33 caliber. the bigger the better.. Not a big guy but would shoot anything including 500 calibers. He did a lot of testing for gun companies and military. shot literally 100s of 1000s of rounds. Never wore hearing protection...... Developed the .44 mag handgun. How the heck could he still hear when he died in his late 70's. At his funeral a group of .44 mag associates gave him a .44 mag salute... Read his books: Hell I was There, Sixguns, and gun notes. Great winter reads by the fireplace....
 
I really think his developing the 44 magnum was his crowning achievement.

The story about him shooting at an out house at 600 yards was always entertaining. How he shot from that prone position on his back, bracing the big Model 29 against his leg.

Many thought he was full of it, others thought “if anybody can, he can”.

I tried it at 1/2 that distance, with his load of 24 grains of 2400 behind a 240 grn Kieth Hard Cast Semi Wadcutter.. It took me about 25 shots to finally hit a 24x24 steel at 300 yards with my 6” barrel Model 29.
 
I really think his developing the 44 magnum was his crowning achievement.

The story about him shooting at an out house at 600 yards was always entertaining. How he shot from that prone position on his back, bracing the big Model 29 against his leg.

Many thought he was full of it, others thought “if anybody can, he can”.

I tried it at 1/2 that distance, with his load of 24 grains of 2400 behind a 240 grn Kieth Hard Cast Semi Wadcutter.. It took me about 25 shots to finally hit a 24x24 steel at 300 yards with my 6” barrel Model 29.
The version I heard it was an Elk. LOL That is the way we shot IHMSA. We used a leather/neoprene shield on our leg to keep the flame from burning a hole in our pants/legs. I only forgot my shield for one shot. I shot with guys that could shoot 6" groups with .44 mags with 8" barrels at 200 meters. It would have been a one in a million shot for sure.
 
His book, "Six Guns", is a must have for any revolver enthusiast. Although you may want to avoid his advice of having a shot of whiskey before a match to settle your nerves. ;)

One of the unique remarks in his book is his preference for a center hold rather than the conventional 6 o'clock hold. This is somewhat unique. Very early in my pistol shooting career I adopted his philosophy of "aim where you want the bullet to strike" and managed to qualify as a Distinguished Expert (285x300) with a revolver in the NRA Precision Pistol Competition, both Indoors and Outdoors.

This style of hold also served me very well back in the day for hunting varmints and predators with my open sight 357 S&W Model 27. I only ever took one deer with a pistol, but it was a satisfying experience.

Today, I am just a paper puncher with a revolver, but I still use Elmer aiming method.
 
One of the unique remarks in his book is his preference for a center hold rather than the conventional 6 o'clock hold. This is somewhat unique. Very early in my pistol shooting career I adopted his philosophy of "aim where you want the bullet to strike" and managed to qualify as a Distinguished Expert (285x300) with a revolver in the NRA Precision Pistol Competition, both Indoors and Outdoors.

This style of hold also served me very well back in the day for hunting varmints and predators with my open sight 357 S&W Model 27. I only ever took one deer with a pistol, but it was a satisfying experience.
When I shot Bullseye, I used a "bottom of bull" hold. I was shooting IHMSA Silhouette at the time I read Elmer's books, and I used a "point of aim" hold on the targets, and it worked great.

He was quite a great shooter, and his books support that.
 
I remember watching the auction for his gun collection a few years ago. I was hoping for something I could afford but, it didn't work out. I would have loved to own a piece of his legacy.
 
When I shot Bullseye, I used a "bottom of bull" hold. I was shooting IHMSA Silhouette at the time I read Elmer's books, and I used a "point of aim" hold on the targets, and it worked great.

He was quite a great shooter, and his books support that.
Yea, the 6 o'clock (bottom of the bull hold) is what is taught my most instructors in precision pistol shooting. That was the point of aim our instructors taught us to use on the Army Pistol Team I shot on.

However, when I started shooting in civilian matches, I changed to center hold after reading Elmer's book. At first it was an experiment but what I discovered is that on timed and rapid fire, I shot much better with a center hold because I think it forced me to focus on the front sight. With a 6 o'clock hold, my eye would dance back and forth from the bull to the front sight - not good.
 
Let us not forget Elmer’s #5!

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I bought my first copy of Sixguns in early winter of 1969. I was on my first tour in RVN, attached to a MAC-V SOG Advisory Team in Ly Tin Province, just North of Chu Lai. I just sent a letter to: Elmer Keith, Salmon, Idaho asking how to buy a copy. About two weeks later, a copy showed up in my mail with a note saying "No charge to a Soldier fighting for our country...". It was pretty dogeared in September of 1971 from being passed around the Ranger Company. I gave it to one of my team members.

I moved to SW Idaho in summer of 1978, and was able to visit Keith in Salmon several times. His gunsmith, Don Mihalovic (pronunciation, not correct spelling) lived a couple miles South of Salmon on what was left of an old ranch. Don was from a nearby town in Illinois where I grew up. He would let me stay in the old Bunkhouse when I visited.

Elmer Keith was one of the most fascinating human beings I have ever met. My first visit, I just walked up to his front door and knocked. He came to the door, and I introduced myself. He asked if I were an NRA member, and I told him "yes sir, a life member". He opened the screen door and said "Come in, any member is welcome to my home. He turned to Mrs Keith and said "Mother, we have company. Could we get a few of those cookies (Oatmeal Raisin, iirc) and some Iced Tea?". She had baked cookies just a few minutes earlier, and the smell filled that house. On another visit, he had just acquired a Diamond Jubilee double H&H in .600 NE. It commemorated the 75th Anniversary of Queen Elizabeth. Gold and Silver Inlays, engraved African game, wow. I asked him how the recoil was, and he simply replied "Let's drive out to Don's place and you can shoot it.". We did. Don kept plastic milk jugs, filled them with water and some food dye, and froze them. He had two fence posts set about six foot apart and four feet high. He set a jug atop each one, and Mr Keith uncased that .600. The rounds looked like Churchill cigars. I put one in each barrel, and focused on a jug. The sound is indescribable, and your right shoulder is sending messages to your brain saying "Something Major has just occurred...". Luckily, the jug explodes, and it looks like a snow cone blew up. About ten seconds later, I fire the left barrel. Repeat performance. He had told me I would have to buy the ammunition, but seeing both jugs blow up, he told me "anybody crazy enough to fire the second shot and make both hits, ammo is on me.".

That is when I told him about getting a copy of Sixguns from him in RVN. He just took a big hit off that ever present cigar and said "I remember your name now...". I used to go to Salmon every couple weeks, just to visit and hear his stories for a couple years.

I could go on and on, meeting Bill Jordan at his house one time; and his stories. I watched him shoot at his gunsmith's ranch more than once. I was privileged to meet most of the old timers, Ackley at his shop in Salt Lake city, John buhmiller at his shop in Montana, and watching Bob Munden put on a shooting exhibition at a gunshop in Boise one afternoon. I had just finally saved enough money to buy a Colt SAA. Munden did his "field tune" on it. Smooth as butter 3lb trigger pull.

(side note; my brother and I were in RVN together for about seven months. He was a Triage Medic at 27th Surgical Hospital. He had the ugliest job in Country. When choppers brought wounded in he had to separate them into three groups. Group I, get them into surgery NOW!! to save their lives. Group II, can wait until Group I are operated on. Group III, cannot be saved. They were put in a dimly lit room and spent their last few minutes with a Chaplain and a clerk who could write to their families telling how that Soldier died.). After he got out and returned to the farm he never spoke of that again, even to me.

enough for one long, rambling post.


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I and a good friend put a lot of “stock” in what Elmer wrote. 30 years ago when folks ask me who EK was, I would explain and most would do a follow up and read. Today if they ask me, I almost refuse to finish a conversation with them, as most do not believe.
One guru YouTube fellow as much as called EK’s writings fiction or a tall tale, I unsubscribed and refuse to listen to anymore of his BS he spews.
As another well known gunny said, “it ain’t bragging, if you can do it”.
Yes the 44 mag is what he seems to have been known for. However the 41 mag is a dandy I found late in my compassion for wheel guns. Many consider it a unicorn of sorts.
 
... the 41 mag is a dandy I found late in my compassion for wheel guns. Many consider it a unicorn of sorts.
Amen. And (while not Keith's) the humble 32 H&R Mag is just now enjoying a renaissance of sorts in the pocket pistol world, thanks in no small part to Chris Baker's expose' online of the versatile, interoperable 32 family of cartridges. It's now easy to find good 32-cal revolvers and ammo for reasonable prices.

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I and a good friend put a lot of “stock” in what Elmer wrote. 30 years ago when folks ask me who EK was, I would explain and most would do a follow up and read. Today if they ask me, I almost refuse to finish a conversation with them, as most do not believe.
One guru YouTube fellow as much as called EK’s writings fiction or a tall tale, I unsubscribed and refuse to listen to anymore of his BS he spews.
As another well known gunny said, “it ain’t bragging, if you can do it”.
Yes the 44 mag is what he seems to have been known for. However the 41 mag is a dandy I found late in my compassion for wheel guns. Many consider it a unicorn of sorts.
They for sure were not fairy tails, but true life experiences Elmer Lived! I have been a member on Lee Martins forum and correspond with several old six gunners that knew Elmer well. Dick Thompson for one, another real mans man! Dick is no imposter, and has freely posted many pictures of him in his youth on elmers porch, and can confirm, Elmer didn't have to make chit up, he lived life the way he tells it.

Fact is I'm not much of 44 fan, like elmer I prefer the 45. If Elmer had found a gun strong enough that would have been his legacy, but the truth is, he gave up as the larger bore in the cylinders could not handle the pressures the smaller bored 44 would. Until finally Bill Ruger produced the hell for strong Blackhawk. Then a few short years after its introduction Bill brought it out in the 45 Colt, my personal preference for hunting, till the 480 Ruger was introduced in 5 shot, small light and in reality all one would ever need for dangerous game.

If you like Elmers writings and haven't read John Linbaughs "Writings" you should. John, another pupil of Elmers work took it from there. Here is a link to a download of the article. It doesn't seem to be accessible as web search since John has left the range as well, another true mans man, and handgun pionier.

 

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