Eliseo tube gun
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moondog
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Loved mine, sold it here a couple years back. Mine was a 6BR. which, with 5 round mags wasn't ideal for PMS. All my other match rifles are on McMillan A-5s or Manners A-4 stocks. It wasn't easy for me to learn to drive a Chassis. I'm just more comfortable driving a stock. It was a super accurate rifle though.
I don't have an Elisio, but I do have a MAK tube gun. I don't believe we can get them any more but it is similar.
I like it for two reasons,,,
1) Since the action is glued in, it provides additional action stiffness.
2) The tube gun provides enhanced safety... Seriously... guys need to understand this.
The action I'm using for the MAK is a blue printed Rem 700. In the McMillan fiberglass stock it was in before I had problems with the scope base coming lose. This was caused by action deflection.
If you examine a Rem 700 repeater action, you will see there is actually very little steel in the middle as it is unnecessarily cleared for ejection and for the mag port. This allows the action to bend like a banana under the stress of firing.
So gluing the action into the MAK provided the additional support I was looking for to correct that particular problem.
To my point regarding safety, I came to this realization while ground hog hunting with a friend who is well known for "being careful with money". He bought some reloaded ammo at a gun show and he became an example for why you should not do that.
He was using a Rem 700 Sendero and after he fired one particular shot, he leapt up from the rifle holding his face. He was obviously injured as he was bleeding. He had maybe a hundred little specs all over the right side of his face that were bleeding and he could not see out of his right eye.
Luckily I happened to have a military first aid kit and in it was some eye ointment and eye patch. So I patched him up.
The next thing I did was take a look at his rifle. I was expecting to see some obvious damage, but it looked fine. Then I opened the bolt, and I could see the case had a split along the long axis of the body.
So the brass did not do it's job of retaining the pressure. The pressure blast ran along the lug way on the left side of the action and vented out the back end of the action and into the shooters face.
So, aside from the lesson about buying reloads from a gun show, what does a guy learn from this?
a) Savage is a little smarter than Remington, as the Savage actions have a false lug to block the rearward flow of gas. They also have a purposely designed bolt, that also blocks the flow of gas into the shooters face.
b) If you have a Rem 700 pattern action, you should be aware.
Anyway, enter the Tube Gun solution... Both the MAK and Elisio tube guns provide protection from such an event. Since I mostly shoot F Class, and we are notorious for running hot loads, I appreciate the safety element.
When it comes to PRS, its important to have balance and a flat shooting base just ahead of the mag well. Not sure if Elisio offers such accessories.
I like it for two reasons,,,
1) Since the action is glued in, it provides additional action stiffness.
2) The tube gun provides enhanced safety... Seriously... guys need to understand this.
The action I'm using for the MAK is a blue printed Rem 700. In the McMillan fiberglass stock it was in before I had problems with the scope base coming lose. This was caused by action deflection.
If you examine a Rem 700 repeater action, you will see there is actually very little steel in the middle as it is unnecessarily cleared for ejection and for the mag port. This allows the action to bend like a banana under the stress of firing.
So gluing the action into the MAK provided the additional support I was looking for to correct that particular problem.
To my point regarding safety, I came to this realization while ground hog hunting with a friend who is well known for "being careful with money". He bought some reloaded ammo at a gun show and he became an example for why you should not do that.
He was using a Rem 700 Sendero and after he fired one particular shot, he leapt up from the rifle holding his face. He was obviously injured as he was bleeding. He had maybe a hundred little specs all over the right side of his face that were bleeding and he could not see out of his right eye.
Luckily I happened to have a military first aid kit and in it was some eye ointment and eye patch. So I patched him up.
The next thing I did was take a look at his rifle. I was expecting to see some obvious damage, but it looked fine. Then I opened the bolt, and I could see the case had a split along the long axis of the body.
So the brass did not do it's job of retaining the pressure. The pressure blast ran along the lug way on the left side of the action and vented out the back end of the action and into the shooters face.
So, aside from the lesson about buying reloads from a gun show, what does a guy learn from this?
a) Savage is a little smarter than Remington, as the Savage actions have a false lug to block the rearward flow of gas. They also have a purposely designed bolt, that also blocks the flow of gas into the shooters face.
b) If you have a Rem 700 pattern action, you should be aware.
Anyway, enter the Tube Gun solution... Both the MAK and Elisio tube guns provide protection from such an event. Since I mostly shoot F Class, and we are notorious for running hot loads, I appreciate the safety element.
When it comes to PRS, its important to have balance and a flat shooting base just ahead of the mag well. Not sure if Elisio offers such accessories.
urbanrifleman
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One word.Badass.
I have three of them. I do not shoot anything else. All bone stock Remingtons that shoot incredibly well.
Gary is a super duper cool guy.
His chassis is the greatest bargain on the market.
I have three of them. I do not shoot anything else. All bone stock Remingtons that shoot incredibly well.
Gary is a super duper cool guy.
His chassis is the greatest bargain on the market.
Yes, at least 10-round Mags are advised for dealing with PMS.
I have two repeaters and one single shot. The repeaters are 6XC and they feed flawlessly out of AI mags. Actions are Remingtons with only the lugs lapped ( think that is one thing that makes a difference and is easy to do). They shoot great. Have mostly used them for high power prone so can’t comment on PRS use. Ergonomics are great.
Konrad.INc
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I’ve built 7 Eliseo tube guns, short and long actions. 223 the smallest and 7mm mag being the biggest. They are a really good stock and I love the bipod that Gary makes for them. It’s the most stable folding bipod setup out there….period. It’s not the lightest stock out there but You’ll be very happy with it.
I don’t glue the actions in at all and they have all stayed stable and retained their zero. A couple of mine have been through several barrels and no problems after several thousand rounds.
I don’t glue the actions in at all and they have all stayed stable and retained their zero. A couple of mine have been through several barrels and no problems after several thousand rounds.
JaoeyP
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I'm a little late to the thread here BUT if you already have one, I'd say run it. If you don't I always recommend an option (stock or chassis) that has a flat bottom on front of the magwell. You will run most stages off of barricades of some sort and a big flat spot forward the mag well is a key element in stabilizing the rifle on a bag resting on barricades.
Many of the 700 footprint actions have some kind of vent to prevent that excessive gas from reaching the shooter.
While Savage does have some very good designs incorporated in their product (some of which are incorporated in my beloved Bighorn actions), they are seldom used (for very long) in PRS matches- they often don't hold up to the cycling required of the sport and will often begin to fail to extract and or eject after some time.
I'll clarify for you...
Many Rem 700 footprint actions have some kind of vent that pretends to prevent excessive gas from reaching the shooter, but it is not as effective as a vent and a false lug like in a Savage.
The Rem 700 vent was inadequate enough to send my friend to the hospital. I was there and I drove him. If I wasn't, that hole would have provided me with a nice false sense of security.
I have a Universal Match Rifle in a Palma configuration. It is a great rifle. I wish I could shoot up to the rifle's potential.
www.gotxring.com
I tried to find a video that discussed the different configurations available but my google-swuae is lacking today.
Any way, I'm pleased with mine and saving my sofa change for a second one.
New Universal Match Rifle system | Got X Ring
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I tried to find a video that discussed the different configurations available but my google-swuae is lacking today.
Any way, I'm pleased with mine and saving my sofa change for a second one.
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