eliseo for f class. im thinking about it

[skeetlee]

What do u guys think of a tube gun for fclass shooting? Great or just ok? I also can't deceide if I should go with a barnard action tube or a rem 700 clone tube. I know the barnard doesn't need glued but not sure about a 700? Just looking for ideas. Heck I may not even go through with this idea anyway. I think they look pretty bas arss but I care more about how it will shoot. I can always just go with a tooley mbr stock and I will if I think the accuracy from bag shooting will be better with the tooley.. what do you guys think? Lee

 

[Greg110]

Lee,
I hate to bring up the obvious, but have you thought about how to get it to ride the bags properly? That would be my first consideration.

 

[tido250]

There is an article in this site that shows a tube gun with bag riders and EGW makes bag riders for ar's.sorry don't know how to attach the web address.but hope it helps.

 

[280man]

If your talking Fopen I can tell you that I haven't witnessed a top level shooter any where in the country using a tube gun. That's not to say you couldn't make it work but why fight it. If your talking F T/R maybe but the weight might be a issue.

 

[Forum Boss]

The accuracy is there, but you have a pretty high center of gravity, and I personally find it very easy to "steer" the gun too much when shooting off a front rest. Now, for F-TR, that's another story. Should work find and there have been some pretty high finishes in major matches using Eliseo chassis 308s.

 

[fdiazverde]

I have a kit with f-class adapter. sky-blue.is for sale

 

[navyrad8r]

lee, send gary an email or PM. he is GME in the forum.he will be able to answer the questions and he is always, improving his products based on our suggestions... i use a RTS in .260 but i am a sling shooter. Gary's products are top notch and excellent customer service. buy with confidence!
http://www.competitionshootingstuff.com/id26.html
1/2 way down the page is my baby (not the airforce one)
cheers,
doc

 

[flatlander]

lee, I've got an R5 in 6BR & a RTS in 6.5x47, and love 'em for across the course & LR prone HP. But I can't see the point in building one from scratch to shoot off rests when there are stocks so much better suited for that purpose. For a guy with one rifle - sure, use Gary's bag rider (or a homemade plate)and have fun. Otherwise, I believe there are better choices for F-class.

 

[Rustystud]

All af Gary's rifles were originally designed as being a sling guns. The sling guns and the F-Class guns cover the same course of fire. Gary has made some adaptive hardware for his tube guns to make them usable in F-Class. I have built several rifles on Garys platforms. Garys S1 platform for the Savage Target action can harly be improved upon. It is a great switch barrel platform. I have one set up for shooting 308s with one barrel and another barrel for shooting 6mmBRX. A man could not ask for a better platform. One rifle that can be shot in multiple disciplines.
These rifles are a working mans gun and yes they can be competitive with anything out there.
Nat Lambeth

 

[Laurie]

lee, I've got an R5 in 6BR & a RTS in 6.5x47, and love 'em for across the course & LR prone HP. But I can't see the point in building one from scratch to shoot off rests when there are stocks so much better suited for that purpose. For a guy with one rifle - sure, use Gary's bag rider (or a homemade plate)and have fun. Otherwise, I believe there are better choices for F-class. [Flatlander]

Dennis,

I wouldn't agree with you there. I've used an Eliseo B1 in both F/TR and F-Class and find it superb. I'm so pleased with it that I'm having a 6.5X47L S1 model built on a timed and tricked-up Savage PT action.

There is a sling gun to F-Class parallel over here in the UK showing how easily a good design can be adapted. The single most popular action / stock combination amongst GB F-Class Association national level contenders (including several of the 2009 F-Class World Cup winning squad) is the RPA Quadlock action in an HPS-Target Rifle Ltd 'System Gemini' FC704 stock, a fairly simple adaptation of what started as a smallbore sling-rifle stock and has graduated into Fullbore sling rifle, 3-position ISSF, F-Class and Tactical versions.

The F-Class version is little if any different from the sling gun version apart from having highly polished wood front and rear bag-riders fitted. Like the Eliseo tubegun stock the basic design is nearly straight-line and highly adjustable, the action and boreline having been dropped as low as possible through the use of aircraft grade very strong aluminium alloys. While the forend is 'conventional' unlike a tubegun, the material used allows it to be exceptionally shallow, far more so than any wood or synthetic conventional stock could ever be without being so weak it would snap with any undue shock or pressure.

http://www.hps-tr.com/prods_ultra_stocks.asp

What I would caution about the Eliseo B1 is that the combination of stock and meaty Barnard action adds up to a lot of weight. This can be a major constraint on the barrel contour, scope type and bi-pod that can be used within the F/TR allowed all-up weight of 8.25kg. It is not a constraint within F-Class.

Laurie,
York, England

 

[JohnMill]

Hey Lee ,
You might consider looking at the MAK tube gun made by neighbors of yours just over the line in Indiana. www.tubegun.net

John

 

[skeetlee]

here is my exact situation. There aren't many full blown f-class events in my area. St Louis has a monthly f-class on Thursday mornings so that is a possibility once in a while. We do have a small high power shoot just down the hill 25 miles that they are now allowing the f-class guys to shoot along side in the prone event. so that might be fun.
About 6 years ago when i started playing with rifles i shot everything prone up on one of my farms. I would throw out a blanket with my rem 700 varmint guns add a by pod and go to work. I really enjoyed that type of shooting very much. So i would like to get back into that type of shooting some what.
I also plan to start prairie dog hunting in the near future so i thought a tube gun would also make for a nice switch barrel plat form there to? Maybe not though?
I was looking at the barnard actions pretty hard but i may just use a broden action or some other rem 700 clone and go with the appropriate stock. I like the barnard because of there high quality and fabulas trrigger, but we will just have to see. So you can see I wont be a full blow, travele the country f-class shooter, just a shooter who enjoys fine rifles looking for an excuse to build another. I love how an AR type rifle feels while shooting prone, i just dont like semi auto rifles all that much. Nothing ese feels as good to me, as the AR type rifles do, so i figured the tube chassis would be ideal. I am thinking 6br for this rifle as i know it can shoot very accuratly. I dont like to loose but winning is really a second place thought in my mine. Nice guns good people and a day at the range are my first place thoughs. So with all this said, would a tube with the proper attachments have the potential to shoot well enough and track well enough to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack or better?
I know they say the Barnard needs not be glued in, but what about the rem 700 clones? Can they be bolted in and not glued? Thanks Lee

 

[TonyR]

Lee. Did you see this Gun-of-the-Week?

http://www.accurateshooter.com/featured/gunweek0101/

Sounds like exactly what you want except 308 instead of 6mmBR,

 

[kjcpoint]

Lee,
I ordered Gary's new light weight hunter chassis a month and a half ago and cant wait! i have talked to him on the phone several times and he is great to deal with. My stiller predator will lose its bolt stop and be the action in the chassis. It will be used for long range prarrie dogs and my walking coyote rifle next winter. Give him a call!

Kyle