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Electronic powder dispenser accuracy

Bat Rastard

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A few questions for you guys with the good electronic dispensers:

What percent of the time does it throw dead on the money?

How often does it throw on the money +/- .02?

How unpleasant is it to swap powders?

Please include what your equipment is in your replies.
 
My reason for an AT4 is it's faster (by a good margin) than any of the other options I have ever tried. (I've never used the super trickler). Draining the powder is pretty simple, tons of videos out there.
It throws bang on almost all the time, if you use large powders (N570) is when you get more "over throws" since the kernels are so heavy.

I could probably stand to speed up my thrower a touch, I saw a video where someone did the math basically on how much time you would save if you run it at X speed and just dump back the odd overthrows.
 
A few questions for you guys with the good electronic dispensers:

What percent of the time does it throw dead on the money? See next answer

How often does it throw on the money +/- .02? About 90 -95% of the time. Since the scale (Fx120i) is only accurate to +- .02, anything in the range is Dead on the Money as far as I am concerned. That is 1 piece of Varget. The better you tune the system, the better that % gets. Most important is setting the flow rate of the trickler, according to the instruction manual.
How unpleasant is it to swap powders? Easy, Have jug with large funnel in place, I lift entire dispenser assembly and top plate off the scale, and dump the powder.

Please include what your equipment is in your replies. scale Fx120i, V3 Autothrow and Autotrickler. Takes 10 seconds or less to throw 30 g of Varget.
 
V4 Autotrickler w Ingenuity Precision trickler, Fx120i; 95+ % on the money, maybe 2% overthrows, running same exact speed settings for various powders like Varget, H4350. About 10 sec per throw. To swap powders I dump the reservoir then gently tap the thrower on its rear side against the bench, dump powder from rear, repeat once. Tap the reservoir to check for extra kernels. All clean in about 15-30 sec. Then run calibration for next powder. Don’t change speed settings.
 
Quite interested in this thread. Just ordered a V4 AT. I’ve been weighing to the exact kernel of Varget. It takes me two to three minutes, on average to accomplish this accuracy. I questioned a couple prominent and accomplished shooters on this forum. Both told me that I was going way beyond what is needed with my procedure. V4s & SuperTricklers are supposed to throw charges to +/- 0.02 gr. I’m hoping the V4 is going to save me lots of time. If it can indeed be adjusted to throw perfect charges in a minute, I will still be way ahead of the game. I hope lots of others post their results with the new tricklers.
 
Fx120i scale with the Adam MacDonald v4 AutoTrickler. I previously used the V2 and V3 versions.

First off I’m not sure exactly how accurately I really need to measure my charges, but I usually measure them to +/- 0.02 grains because it feels good, and it’s easy to do with the system I’m using. The biggest reasons to use the system are convenience and speed.

The weight is pretty much never dead on internally, but due to the rounding on the display, it can appear to be dead on to 2 hundredths of a grain, or to a thousandth of a gram. This happens probably 25-50% of the time for me, with the finer-kerneled N130 at the 50% mark, and the coarser-kerneled H4831 and N560 at the 25% range. I usually use +/- 0.02 or +/- 0.03 grains as my tolerance.

Practically speaking, the only two outcomes are the charge weight is within the tolerance, or an overthrow. This is because the trickler doesn’t stop if you are more than tolerance under the target weight.

If the last powder to fall is just a single kernel, then the outcome is almost always somewhere between the target weight or below, but within tolerance. If you are working in grains, the scale rounds the answer to +/- 0.02 grains. This is around 10-40% of the charges thrown, depending on kernel size.

When the trickler drops two kernels instead of one as the last powder before it stops, usually the charge will be over the target weight but within tolerance. I just use that charge and go on to the next one. This is what happens most of the time, but again it depends on kernel size and the tolerance you specify.

With any trickler, you can have 2-3 or more kernels bridge and then all fall at the same time. When the charge thrown is over the tolerance weight by 1-2 kernels, I usually just reach into the cup and remove 1-2 kernels. If it’s off by more than that, I usually just pull the cup and dump 10-20 kernels into the hopper. When the trickler sees that you are now below tolerance it will restart to try again. If I’m loading for practice and I’m expecting high winds, I don’t worry about the charge being 1-2 kernels over weight.

I only have experience with the rod-shaped powders. I’m curious what experiences users have had using ball shaped powders.

There are two practices that help me get better results (more charges that are within tolerance the first time). One is that if I want 39.40 grains as a target, I subtract 0.01 grains from that and I enter 39.39 as my target. Because the outcomes are skewed a little above the target, I just shift the target down a little and then I get an outcome distribution closer to what I want. The other useful practice is that I weigh 10-20 kernels and also count them, and calculate the average weight, only one time per powder. I then ensure that I’m using a tolerance that is bigger than the average weight of 1 kernel. This seems to work out fine because when I’m using finer powder, it’s usually for 30-40 grain charges, but with coarser powder, it’s 50-60 grain charges. The tolerance is relatively the same percentage of the total charge weight.

As for unpleasantness of switching powders, I wouldn’t say it’s too bad. I like the process better with the V4. One very nice enhancement of V4 over previous versions is that the hopper must be closed on the bottom before you can pull it off the unit. Anything that helps me avoid dumping powder on the bench is a welcome improvement. I can’t comment on how difficult it is vs other systems because this scale with the V2 AutoTrickler was my first powder dispensing gear.
 
I use the chargemaster as well and to .1 accuracy seems to work fine. I can shoot any better than that can measure.... meaning if I went to a system measuring .02 accuracy I don't think my skill would notice.
 

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