Ejector and Ejector Springs

[Dimner]

So I know lots of benchrest competition shooters are shooting without ejection. Are you guys running with the whole ejector assembly removed and a hole where the ejector was? Or has someone come up with a spring that keeps the ejector in place, but doesn't put nearly any pressure on the ejector pin?

With the ejector removed, do you have issues with near max pressure loads and odd marks on the brass?

For my purposes, I want to be able to shoot with ejection, but I just do not want my brass flying 6 feet away. Is the mod as simple as buying a 2nd spring and clipping a few coils? Then you can have a setup where they throw far and then swap parts for a setup where they kind of just eject maybe an inch or two from the rifle?

 

[farmerjohn]

Hey Feller, take your spring out, with a glove on, take it to your grinder and revove a couple of coils, put it back in and try it, more as necessary. But a warning, need to have a new spring handy as it's easy to go to far... John

 

[Alex Wheeler]

No Benchrest shooters are shooting without the ejector in. Slows you down way too much. The ejector does not hurt accuracy. It does not prevent brass flow into the hole either. If you run enough pressure you will get an ejector mar on the case if the ejector is installed or not.

 

[Eagle Six]

No Benchrest shooters are shooting without the ejector in. Slows you down way too much. The ejector does not hurt accuracy. It does not prevent brass flow into the hole either. If you run enough pressure you will get an ejector mar on the case if the ejector is installed or not.

This ^^^^^

If you do cut the spring a bit to much you can stretch the spring out a bit. You might just get what you like on the first try. If you cut and stretch and cut and stretch, you most likely will need a new spring and start over. It's a lot of fun sometimes to tune it just right. And, how fast you withdraw the bolt can mean the difference of flinging or drippling!!

 

[Dimner]

Ahh gotcha. Grind a few coils. Do all the 700 clones use the same kind of spring? Also, is there spring nomenclature? Like for length, diameter and wire gauge? Seems like we humans would have made something up by now. We do for every other construction/build component.

I'm not really concerned if ejectors do or don't hamper accuracy, I'm just sick of finding 48 out of 50 pieces of brass when I'm on state land in a field shooting at various distances. Actually, I'm probably more aggravated at the time I am spending looking for brass then picking up and moving tarps or blankets to the next position.

If I could take my spring, I'd be a happy camper.

 

[Eagle Six]

I call the spring ends, ends. I call the spring body, body. I call the curly things between ends, the little curly things! But, then I'm a Redneck mechanic, Redneck machinist, and Redneck gunsmith so don't listen to me.

 

[Dave M.]

No Benchrest shooters are shooting without the ejector in. Slows you down way too much. The ejector does not hurt accuracy. It does not prevent brass flow into the hole either. If you run enough pressure you will get an ejector mar on the case if the ejector is installed or not.

Alex, with all due respect, and I completely respect that you have a wealth of gunsmith knowledge and you are a fantastic precision rifle builder; but I can assure you that there ARE benchrest guys shooting with their ejectors removed. I know one very well known HOF BR shooter that shot with the ejector removed. I will not name him because it isn’t my place to bring him into this discussion.
I personally run my Bat Nuevo LR for F open class with the ejector removed and the hole is wide open. Hot loads will certainly leave a small smoothed out semi circle where the brass will flow into the ejector hole (I’ve seen this is way easier to see on Peterson brass versus Lapua.
Dave

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Alex, with all due respect, and I completely respect that you have a wealth of gunsmith knowledge and you are a fantastic precision rifle builder; but I can assure you that there ARE benchrest guys shooting with their ejectors removed. I know one very well known HOF BR shooter that shot with the ejector removed. I will not name him because it isn’t my place to bring him into this discussion.
I personally run my Bat Nuevo LR for F open class with the ejector removed and the hole is wide open. Hot loads will certainly leave a small smoothed out semi circle where the brass will flow into the ejector hole (I’ve seen this is way easier to see on Peterson brass versus Lapua.
Dave

You will get that ejector mark if you put the ejector back in too. That 3 pound spring is not going to stop the brass flow caused by 60k psi. Some short range BR shooters will pick out cases. But its not too common and in long range its not going to happen. At short range a skilled flag reader can pick cases and shoot well. At long range you just cant read conditions well enough to give up the speed. So I should have said no long range BR shooters are shooting without an ejector. Or at least no winning one is.

 

[Dave M.]

You will get that ejector mark if you put the ejector back in too. That 3 pound spring is not going to stop the brass flow caused by 60k psi. Some short range BR shooters will pick out cases. But its not too common and in long range its not going to happen. At short range a skilled flag reader can pick cases and shoot well. At long range you just cant read conditions well enough to give up the speed. So I should have said no long range BR shooters are shooting without an ejector. Or at least no winning one is.

I’ll agree with that statement. I shoot F open and have the ejector completely removed. I find it very easy to pick brass out, reload a fresh round and get back on target way faster than the 7 second delay we have built in to the Shotmarker Program.
Dave

 

[BoydAllen]

One option: http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i17.html

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I’ll agree with that statement. I shoot F open and have the ejector completely removed. I find it very easy to pick brass out, reload a fresh round and get back on target way faster than the 7 second delay we have built in to the Shotmarker Program.
Dave

In F class, the delay slows you down. You cant run them. But a little less time loading could be a little more time reading conditions. But the ejector is far less important in F Class for sure.

 

[Boilermaker]

Ahh gotcha. Grind a few coils. Do all the 700 clones use the same kind of spring? Also, is there spring nomenclature? Like for length, diameter and wire gauge? Seems like we humans would have made something up by now. We do for every other construction/build component.

I'm not really concerned if ejectors do or don't hamper accuracy, I'm just sick of finding 48 out of 50 pieces of brass when I'm on state land in a field shooting at various distances. Actually, I'm probably more aggravated at the time I am spending looking for brass then picking up and moving tarps or blankets to the next position.

If I could take my spring, I'd be a happy camper.

I suggest taking off 1/4 of a coil at a time and checking it. It might take a while to get where you want, but the shorter the spring gets the more drastic difference it makes in ejecting. I just did this to my action. If I had gone a full coil at a time, my spring would have been too short before I knew I was close.

 

[J.J. Coe]

So I know lots of benchrest competition shooters are shooting without ejection. Are you guys running with the whole ejector assembly removed and a hole where the ejector was? Or has someone come up with a spring that keeps the ejector in place, but doesn't put nearly any pressure on the ejector pin?

With the ejector removed, do you have issues with near max pressure loads and odd marks on the brass?

For my purposes, I want to be able to shoot with ejection, but I just do not want my brass flying 6 feet away. Is the mod as simple as buying a 2nd spring and clipping a few coils? Then you can have a setup where they throw far and then swap parts for a setup where they kind of just eject maybe an inch or two from the rifle?

On more than 1 occasion I've replaced a oem ejector spring with a section of spring out of a bic lighter....... worked great.

 

[Dkk37058]

I removed a few coils on the spring so the ejector will gently lay the brass on the side of the ejection port and I can grab it and pull it out . It takes a few try’s to get it right and I shoot F Class also

 

[Dave M.]

I suggest taking off 1/4 of a coil at a time and checking it. It might take a while to get where you want, but the shorter the spring gets the more drastic difference it makes in ejecting. I just did this to my action. If I had gone a full coil at a time, my spring would have been too short before I knew I was close.

This is good advice. Don’t just chop 2-3 turns off because it will likely be way too much and you will be ordering a new spring (I did this once on my girlfriend’s bolt).

 

[243winxb]

Is the mod as simple as buying a 2nd spring and clipping a few coils?

Yes. Chop 1 coil at a time.

 

[Dave M.]

One option: http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i17.html

Well that seems affordable enough for anyone with a stock ejector to try out. I went too far on my Remington 700 stock hunting rifle and had to find a new spring. Lol.

 

[Dimner]

One option: http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i17.html

Perfect! Thank you for this

 

[DickE]

There are soft eject springs available.

 

[Dimner]

Do most of the custom rem700 clones use a standard rem700 spring?