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Douglas vs Wilson

urbanrifleman said:
My Wilson barrels have been exceeding my customer expectations. And mine for that matter.

Personally, I think the question is a silly question. If someone were to post something like "which is better, Kreiger or Brux" there would likely be a fist fight. The truth of the matter is most people have no idea what a Wilson is capable of... or a Douglass either.

300 yard Wilson Dasher from my customer. Large shank Savage.

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He sent me the other two Targets from the same match they were both under an inch at 300. Now I'm sure someone will respond and say yeah but how many world records did Wilson Barrel said and blah blah blah blah. The truth of the matter is is that these barrels will shoot better than most people can shoot. And I don't think people have any idea what they are truly capable of doing with a caliber that is highly accurate. Or care for that matter because they immediately will say I'll just go buy a Krieger or a Brux or a whatever.... blah blah Nationals... blah blah blah benchrest match... blah blah blah.
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Ok, I have to say something. Your a fan of the 6 BRA? Why do you think it even exists? Kiff has been grinding reamers for them since the mid 80s and yet they never took off. Until they started to break records in Benchrest, lots of them. An incredible amount really. We have head stamped brass, multiple dies available, all because of the popularity of the round created from BENCHREST RECORDS. You cant take what you want from BR then turn up your nose at it when it doesnt suit your narrative.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Ok, I have to say something. Your a fan of the 6 BRA? Why do you think it even exists? Kiff has been grinding reamers for them since the mid 80s and yet they never took off. Until they started to break records in Benchrest, lots of them. An incredible amount really. We have head stamped brass, multiple dies available, all because of the popularity of the round created from BENCHREST RECORDS. You cant take what you want from BR then turn up your nose at it when it doesnt suit your narrative.
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What is my "narrative" Alex?

There are lots of people "turning their noses up", but it's not me.
 
urbanrifleman said:
What is my "narrative" Alex?
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Your pushing your stuff obviously. Thats fine, but you do not need to cut down the shooters that have developed, broke records, and brought the factory brass and dies to the market. I see this often and Im over it. It has nothing to do with me, I know the amount of work these guys put into this and theres a reason we have 6bra brass and dies readily available. Benchrest records.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Your pushing your stuff obviously. Thats fine, but you do not need to cut down the shooters that have developed, broke records, and brought the factory brass and dies to the market. I see this often and Im over it. It has nothing to do with me, I know the amount of work these guys put into this and theres a reason we have 6bra brass and dies readily available. Benchrest records.
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Cut down the shooters? What the heck?? Where???

The only thing I was commenting on was how every conversation always goes down the same road...

As far as "pushing stuff" . I have actually chambered about 80 Wilson barrels in the last two years, and sold many more Wilson factory barrels than that. I'm actually probably the most qualified poster so far to post here on the subject of Wilson barrels.
 
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I see what urbanrifleman is trying to say but it may have been conveyed the wrong way. Basically just saying they shoot good but most people don’t know it because Wilson barrels haven’t been proven on the competition grounds.

There are a lot of excellent and extremely accurate rounds out there that never gained popularity since they never had their day in competition shooting. Same can be said for Wilson barrels. My limited experience with them has produced excellent accuracy but without recognition from wins and records on a competitive stage, Wilson barrels will probably stay in the popularity level they currently reside.

I honestly wish this thread was never started because if some big name competitors start winning with Wilson barrels, the demand and price will surely increase exponentially. And I don’t want that. I want them to remain very affordable where I’m able to stock up on them for my Varmint and hunting rifles without breaking the bank.

However...you probably won’t see Wilson winning and setting records at a competitive level. From my personal experience of inspecting a handful of Wilson barrels with a bore scope, slugging them with lead weights to check bore diameters and feeling for tight/loose spots, I don’t think serious BR shooters will install them on their competition rifles. They are dang good barrels for the price and shoot great, but the lapping finish and bore tolerances are not as nice or as consistent as other more expensive barrels. And the current price level for Wilson barrels reflects that.
 
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urbanrifleman said:
Cut down the shooters? What the heck?? Where???

The only thing I was commenting on was how every conversation always goes down the same road...

As far as "pushing stuff" . I have actually chambered about 80 Wilson barrels in the last two years, and sold many more Wilson factory barrels than that. I'm actually probably the most qualified poster so far to post here on the subject of Wilson barrels.
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From an outside view it seems like you push your product constantly(Wilson prefits chambered in br cartridges) , which is understandable as most people think their products are a great/perfect option or they wouldn’t be in that business.

The frustrating part of this though is that 1/2 your posts seem to be complaining about how this forum always circles back to benchrest and what benchrest people use and how that doesn’t matter yet your business model seems to base itself on the success of a few select cartridges perfected and popularized by those exact people in that exact way.

it seems pretty rude to those people who work their asses off popularizin perfecting, developing these cartridges, use 6bra for an example, that you then come in here and talk constantly about how annoying it is that they won’t stop talking about national level benchrest quality while you’re making a living pushing the cartridges that came from that exact conversation.

as someone that hasn’t put that work into it, it’s hard to imagine just how insanely annoying it would be for those that have.
 
Ledd Slinger said:
I see what urbanrifleman is trying to say but it may have been conveyed the wrong way. Basically just saying they shoot good but most people don’t know it because Wilson barrels haven’t been proven on the competition grounds.

There are a lot of excellent and extremely accurate rounds out there that never gained popularity since they never had their day in competition shooting. Same can be said for Wilson barrels. My limited experience with them has produced excellent accuracy but without recognition from wins and records on a competitive stage, Wilson barrels will probably stay in the popularity level they currently reside.

I honestly wish this thread was never started because if some big name competitors start winning with Wilson barrels, the demand and price will surely increase exponentially. And I don’t want that. I want them to remain very affordable where I’m able to stock up on them for my Varmint and hunting rifles without breaking the bank.

However...you probably won’t see Wilson winning and setting records at a competitive level. From my personal experience of inspecting a handful of Wilson barrels with a bore scope, slugging them with lead weights to check bore diameters and feeling for tight/loose spots, I don’t think serious BR shooters will install them on their competition rifles. They are dang good barrels for the price and shoot great, but the lapping finish and bore tolerances are not as nice or as consistent as other more expensive barrels. And the current price level for Wilson barrels reflects that. Doesn’t mean they don’t shoot great, but it’s like trying to compare a Savage action to a BAT. Savage actions can shoot really good on a nice day when the sun is shining on a dogs a**, but they are in no way on the level of BAT ;)
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Alex made a very validated point about the 6 Bra cartridge I have chambered several of them and the customer has won his fair share of long range matches with that setup.
I’m strongly considering putting one together in my Borden drop port for 600 and a 1000 for this season with a Douglas barrel an see if I can be competitive.
Yes an unlapped Douglas.Lol
 
Preacher said:
DOUGLAS as always...
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I have had quite a few Douglas barrels. Some were good some were ok never had a real bad one. I have a couple Cooper rifles and they both have Wilson barrels and they are both one holer's. So my take is you can't go bad with a Wilson barrel either. Every Cooper rifle has one and Cooper guarantee's them to shoot under 1/2". Most people don't that the same guy that own Wilson Barrels also own's Copper Rifles.
 
Another thing I will add is that pretty much every single barrel, action, chambering, bullet, trigger, powder and whatever else out there has been rigorously tested by top level competition shooters at some point and time. So just because you don’t hear about a certain rifle or ammo component being touted by the record setters and winning circle as a truly competitive component most certainly doesn’t NOT mean that they haven’t fully tested it already. If they aren’t screaming Wilson barrels, well then that’s most likely because they’ve tested them and they found them lacking in some way.

Every barrel manufacturer can build a screamer. Heck I’ve had 2 factory barrels in my lifetime that I would put up against any custom barrel out there. But it’s more about how consistently the manufacturers can make great barrels. If you have to try 1-2 Krieger, Brux, Bartlein or other expensive barrels vs. having to fight thru 10+ Wilson barrels before finding one that will compete at the highest levels then the choice is simple. With the amount of testing these guys do to compete at that level and the short time for tuning in between shoots, they don’t have time to be messing around with barrel manufacturers that can’t deliver them consistently competitive pipes
 
Are all Douglas 6 groove? I can’t find that info or I’m not looking at the right place. I can’t find the info on Wilson either, come to think of it.
 
k80skeet said:
I have had quite a few Douglas barrels. Some were good some were ok never had a real bad one. I have a couple Cooper rifles and they both have Wilson barrels and they are both one holer's. So my take is you can't go bad with a Wilson barrel either. Every Cooper rifle has one and Cooper guarantee's them to shoot under 1/2". Most people don't that the same guy that own Wilson Barrels also own's Copper Rifles.
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Ive chambered and bought many wilson barrels and have visited the shop just as they were expanding . I purchased many barrels that it was more productive to pick them up in a truck , at their shop . And wilsons are good , BUT given the choice between the 2 , DOUGLAS wins hands down .
Ps , I still have maybe a dozen or more nos wilsons hanging around .
they ( wilson ) must have different qualities of barrels ,or theyve improved alot .
wilson supplied a local importer / manufacturer with barrels , and they made Savage look like top tier barrel . But as a truck hunting gun , they shot okay .
 
Ggmac said:
Ive chambered and bought many wilson barrels and have visited the shop just as they were expanding . I purchased many barrels that it was more productive to pick them up in a truck , at their shop . And wilsons are good , BUT given the choice between the 2 , DOUGLAS wins hands down .
Ps , I still have maybe a dozen or more nos wilsons hanging around .
they ( wilson ) must have different qualities of barrels ,or theyve improved alot .
wilson supplied a local importer / manufacturer with barrels , and they made Savage look like top tier barrel . But as a truck hunting gun , they shot okay .
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The Urbanrifleman (from this site) has had great success with Wilson Barrels for both Savage & Remington you should read some of the testimonial's and and see what people that are shooting them have written you might change your mind on Wilson Barrels.
 
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