Don't want to HIGH-JACK a thread

[Dusty Stevens]

Looking online, it appears the companies that produce in ground fire shelters claim that 48 cu ft, will provide enough O2 for 6 people for 1 hour. Would a person be in a fire for more than 1 hour? From what I have seen around here, a home is gone in less than 15 minuets, some of the surrounding vegetation may last a bit longer. I suppose if it were a concern a few SCUBA or a welding tank with oxygen could be used to augment the O2 supply? Radiant heat appears to be a prime concern.

Think about the smoke and how long it may take to not be too thick to breathe. And think about the fire stalling out near you. Being around some fires (not a raging wildfire) i wouldnt take my chances in a survival pod anywhere around a fire no matter how good it was designed

 

[carlsbad]

I'd want a lot of oxygen and water to stay in there a while.

 

[Walt Krafft]

OK, you are in your shelter all hunky dorry. How will you monitor outside conditions to know when it is safe? Window, will probably break or become obstructed. Camera, burned up. Cell phone, doesnt work. Open up too quick and you will be toast. Stay too long and you are out of air.

 

[joshb]

OK, you are in your shelter all hunky dorry. How will you monitor outside conditions to know when it is safe? Window, will probably break or become obstructed. Camera, burned up. Cell phone, doesnt work. Open up too quick and you will be toast. Stay too long and you are out of air.

Well.....you just need a periscope!
I always wanted to buy one of the decommissioned missile silos. They go up for sale every once in a while. Couldn’t get the wife interested!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Well.....you just need a periscope!
I always wanted to buy one of the decommissioned missile silos. They go up for sale every once in a while. Couldn’t get the wife interested!

Plenty of them around here- lots within just a few miles of me including the one that blew up in the early 80’s

 

[carlsbad]

I grew up in Central MO and there were missile silos all around. One was on the farm across the street from us (about 1/2 mile) and owned by our neighbor. If it launched, they told him his barn would burn but the house should survive. They wouldn't tell us what kind of missiles were there and kindo implied it wasn't nuclear but now we know they were. I would love to have one of those silos. I remember when the huge trailer would show up at night with lots of armed military guards. They'd jack it up vertical and apparently swap out the missile. It was a my first exposure to the ability of the government to do amazing things. --Jerry

 

[Dusty Stevens]

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news...-owner-has-bomb-business-model/?f=rivervalley

watch the movie called command and control about the one that blew up. Scary time around here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Damascus_Titan_missile_explosion

 

[hpshooter]

"I'd want a lot of oxygen and water to stay in there a while."

Certain areas of Virginia have a good number of small to medium limestone caves. Did a fair amount of spelunking in them while in college and always wanted to build a house over the mouth of a cave and utilize the constant temperature of the cave in a Geo-thermal type HVAC system as well as utilizing the cave for a secure storage/emergency shelter.

Employment choice located me away from the cave area so it never materialized.

 

[rr2030]

I'd want a lot of oxygen and water to stay in there a while.

And a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle, a bottle of scotch and some Cannoli.

 

[Trashy]

:snip:

Radiant heat appears to be a prime concern.

-laughs in phoenician-
Without giving too many details, I do have a completely hidden "safe" room, but its only big enough for guns and gold. Arizona homes being built on a concrete slab are great. all kinds of silly stuff can happen under a cement floor.

 

[DirtySteve]

I was fighting a Wild Land fire recently, 36K acres. During 40 mph winds. We had to do some structure protection and put in a dozer line and lit a fire 20 feet in front of the dozer line for our protection. The flame front was 120 feet at times. It got freaking hot! But not terrible. I would say we had a hard fight for 30 minutes but we had some heavy fuel we could not burn down or dozer a way. I was standing there with no breathing apparatus the whole time the smoke sucked but survivable. So I would say under a foot of dirt with a way to seal it off completely for an hour you could survive comfortably providing there was enough air inside. Maybe use a little buddy breather if air got thin. Keep all heavy fuels back 100 feet. keep the other vegetation short and it can be done.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I was fighting a Wild Land fire recently, 36K acres. During 40 mph winds. We had to do some structure protection and put in a dozer line and lit a fire 20 feet in front of the dozer line for our protection. The flame front was 120 feet at times. It got freaking hot! But not terrible. I would say we had a hard fight for 30 minutes but we had some heavy fuel we could not burn down or dozer a way. I was standing there with no breathing apparatus the whole time the smoke sucked but survivable. So I would say under a foot of dirt with a way to seal it off completely for an hour you could survive comfortably providing there was enough air inside. Maybe use a little buddy breather if air got thin. Keep all heavy fuels back 100 feet. keep the other vegetation short and it can be done.

What if the fire line was 1/4mi deep and traveling against a breeze to slow it down. Wonder how long youd need to be on life support to make it? I wonder if a company offered this how many would take the chance? When i lived in the keys a company came around with this little flying saucer lookin survival boat. They would put it in your yard on a stand and when a hurricane came you went and got in it. If the storm surge came along it just washed you out to sea but you had air, food and water. After their door to door sales pitch over a couple months time i saw one at a medical clinic. I dont think anybody wanted to end up in new orleans in a flying saucer. I doubt anybody would want to get in a shelter underneath a wildfire either.

 

[DirtySteve]

I doubt anybody would want to get in a shelter underneath a wildfire either.

Oh don't get me wrong the best thing to do is get the hell out of the area. I just wanted to say it was survivable that way not that it would be enjoyable. I don't have a tree with in 200 feet of the house. Most of my neighbors have trees with in 30 feet of the house. They have been told how unsafe it is and makes the home not defendable. Not only that but trees all a long their drive ways that could fall and block their escape...

The photo is where we did the structure protection. The back fire is in the foreground and the actual fire in the back ground. I told my partner I like this spot plenty of black between us and the fire. Then the fire boss had us move down to the second narrowest point, we were 30 feet from the cotton wood trees.