Don't Forget to Thank NRA

[Jammer Six]

Actually, the way it happened was that I got my instructor certs long before Nugent was on the board.

The first time he spoke about guns in public, I stopped my membership.

So now I have the benefit without the expense. That's so, but at this point it's minimal.

Still, it gives me something to say when someone asks me to donate to the NRA.

I don't care anything about "agreement here..." unless I'm alone with my wife. Even then, I've gone it alone.

Here's the process I suggest, unless you're an intellectually lazy person:

1. Ask yourself how many pennies of every dollar the NRA spends asking you for more money.
2. Ask yourself how many pennies of every dollar the NRA uses for actual lobbying.
3. Listen to Ted Nugent, recognizing that he's speaking directly for you, in your place.
4. Ask yourself if he will do a better job than you will of convincing people that the NRA's points of view are valid.
5. Ask yourself if there are any other organizations that will spend more out of every dollar towards our goals.
6. Ask yourself if there isn't a better place to spend your money.

Or just stay where you are. After all, life is going to be greater now.

 

[jdh47]

The NRA is our biggest lobby for the second amendment. You don't have to like everything they do but they are still in the trenches every day working for gun owners. They provide lots of needed services for the industry and all people that love to shoot.

Ted Nugent is anything but average. You may not like his attitude but you must admit you don't have to look up his butt to figure out what's on his mind. It's kind of refreshing really after all the abuse the left has given us. What?

Joe

 

[hpshooter]

"So now I have the benefit without the expense. That's so, but at this point it's minimal."

This can't possibly be the highly ethical Jammer Six who shamed those sharing Quick Load info with those who didn't purchase the product.

This snowflake is going to have to find some Play Dough, coloring books and crayons along with a therapist to get over this life shattering revelation.

NRA instructor cards do have an expiration date on them so the reuse will have a finite life span unless a renewal fee is submitted to the NRA.

BTW, we had more than a few ILA financed pro gun campaign ads in this part of Virginia and the ILA backed US congressman for our district won.

 

[Jammer Six]

The NRA wants your money. All you can afford to give. However, my credentials have not been cancelled and never will be cancelled, whether I give them any money or not.

(If I teach an NRA class at an NRA range, when my creds expire I get a new one automatically. If you don't, it's because you didn't fill out any paperwork at an NRA class at an NRA range.)

Think about that. That wasn't my choice, that is the choice of your vaunted NRA. Are my credentials a good use of your money? It stopped being my money years ago, when Nugent was first elected.

The NRA wants your money. But they don't care what you think about my credentials, because they don't answer to any of you. They speak for you, with trash like Nugent, but you have no control over them, what they say, who says it or how they say it. If you were to start screaming, whining, and suing over the fact that my credentials are still good and the NRA won't change that, nothing would happen. Because the NRA wants your money, not your opinion. They don't care what you think about anything, whether the issue is something like my credentials, the amount of each dollar they choose to spend asking you for more money, Nugent, or the 2nd amendment.

The NRA wants your money. Then they want you to shut up and go away, unless you get more money. Then they want that, too.

The NRA is no longer a lobby for the gun community. The NRA is just another ponzi scheme like Tupperware. An NRA Basic class contains a one hour block of instruction on "Why People Own Guns". Are you kidding me? Is that a good use of your money?

The reason the NRA doesn't care if I pay them anymore is the same reason a Tuperware host doesn't pay: because a pure NRA curriculum includes indoctrination into the NRA, including indoctrination about the political arm of the NRA, why the NRA needs money, and why the new shooter should continue to take NRA classes and participate in NRA sanctioned activities at NRA approved ranges. In other words, as long as I teach an NRA curriculum, I'm spreading the word and creating new contributors, and that's more valuable to the NRA than my money. So I get new credentials as long as I spread the word and teach a minimum of two classes over two years at pure NRA curriculum classes. Then they have a new layer of suckers to give them money, and I've moved up a level in the ponzi scheme. Just like Tuperware.

The final question is simple: were you taught the NRA Three Safety Rules, or were you taught the Cooper Four? If you were taught the Cooper Four, or you belong to a range that starts with "Treat All Guns As If They Are Loaded At All Times", why do you think that is?

Everyone who hasn't looked at it closely or thought it over carefully is very proud to be a member, because it's an easy thing to do, sign the check, join the club and ignore the man behind the curtain. And besides, there's bumper stickers and patches for your jacket that you can earn.

The rest of us have found better uses for our money, time and energy.

 

[Hasbeen1945]

I deceided in this election you had to put your money where your mouth is. I'd never given to a national politician before. Started this election, fact of life money buys TV adds, makes calls, yard signs, etc.
I know it's hard to believe Wall Street, Silicon Valley and most big business plus the news media are democrats. So individual voter donations mean a lot.
I've found most of the people who don't belong to the NRA the real reason is money. They want someone else to fight the fight ( spend the money ) not them.

 

[DRNewcomb]

..... They don't care what you think about anything, whether the issue is something like my credentials, the amount of each dollar they choose to spend asking you for more money, Nugent, or the 2nd amendment.....

Keep in mind that the polity of the NRA is democratic-republican. All life and 5-year members get to vote for the directors. It's the directors who set organizational policies. Any group of members can nominate directors for election by petition. It's one of the most democratic large organizations out there. While there tends to be a reinforcing organizational feedback loop, the NRA actually represents the beliefs of the majority of its members.

 

[bobinpa]

I won't call him the President, because in my opinion he is anything but Presidential material, but in 2008 when the current leader of this great nation was running for office, I went from an annual member to a lifetime member. In 2012 when he was at it again, I stepped up to an endowment member..... This year I stepped up to a Patron member. The only regret I have is that I didn't do it sooner.

 

[Jammer Six]

I call him President because what I call him reflects on me, not him.

 

[Wjesswheel]

I call him President because what I call him reflects on me, not him.

Exactly what is it that he has said your not comfortable with?

 

[Joe Salt]

What Eddie said! With an I told you so.

Joe Salt

 

[Jammer Six]

The list would be much shorter if you asked me what I am comfortable with.

We're quite a ways off the track from begging for money for the NRA.

 

[Jammer Six]

Keep in mind that the polity of the NRA is democratic-republican. All life and 5-year members get to vote for the directors. It's the directors who set organizational policies. Any group of members can nominate directors for election by petition. It's one of the most democratic large organizations out there. While there tends to be a reinforcing organizational feedback loop, the NRA actually represents the beliefs of the majority of its members.

Well, that makes it worse, then. That means a majority of you voted for Nugent, and tars all of you with his brush.

I confess I didn't realize that. I thought only the members present at the convention got to vote, which is a tiny minority of the membership. I don't know, and could very well be wrong. I've never had a five year membership.

I'll leave the question about buying your vote for another time.

 

[bobinpa]

I call him President because what I call him reflects on me, not him.

To make a statement like that, you must be proud of our current leader......which is what makes you and I very different. I don't call Obama president because I am ashamed to. He has done nothing but embarrass me as a citizen.

 

[johnfred1965]

Well, that makes it worse, then. That means a majority of you voted for Nugent, and tars all of you with his brush.

I confess I didn't realize that. I thought only the members present at the convention got to vote, which is a tiny minority of the membership. I don't know, and could very well be wrong. I've never had a five year membership.

I'll leave the question about buying your vote for another time.

Did Ted Nugent bugger your wife, or what?

 

[rogn]

Arguing w/ JS is pointless, he is narcissistic enough he will not let you win. All I can say is that I saw no posters or TV adds promoting 2A or any candidate sponsored by JS. Just accept the premise that his intellect allows him to take w/o contribution to the /any cause.
Iam an endowment member and I have contributed to the ILA. The reason for my position is that no one else is doing much of anything effectively. Yes there is a NAGR, but Im not too sure they do much except solicit. BTW I do contribute to this site.

 

[shoot4fun]

Arguing w/ JS is pointless, he is narcissistic enough he will not let you win. All I can say is that I saw no posters or TV adds promoting 2A or any candidate sponsored by JS. Just accept the premise that his intellect allows him to take w/o contribution to the /any cause.

In my the old days he would have been "politely" called a Scab. They depend on others to pay the cost in order for them to get the benefit.

 

[DRNewcomb]

In my the old days he would have been "politely" called a Scab. They depend on others to pay the cost in order for them to get the benefit.

As I've mentioned, I also have issues with some members of the NRA board of directors. I tend to read the biographies and vote for people who are active in target shooting and/or with their state R&P associations or who are broadly respected. I don't think I've ever voted for Nugent and I know I never voted for Norquist. However, the presence of a few people I dislike on the board is certainly not enough to make me abandon the organization. I didn't move to another country when Obama was elected. I don't give up on the NRA just because their may be a couple of jerks on the board.

 

[shoot4fun]

As I've mentioned, I also have issues with some members of the NRA board of directors. I tend to read the biographies and vote for people who are active in target shooting and/or with their state R&P associations or who are broadly respected. I don't think I've ever voted for Nugent and I know I never voted for Norquist. However, the presence of a few people I dislike on the board is certainly not enough to make me abandon the organization. I didn't move to another country when Obama was elected. I don't give up on the NRA just because their may be a couple of jerks on the board.

I have never said the NRA is perfect either. I do not and have never agreed with all the directors and all the policies. I feel those who will not support an organization that does a much greater percentage of good for 2A protection than not should have ALL those who cherish 2A (for that matter all Constitutional freedoms) backing it. If you can't afford to give your $$ you can support NRA in other ways. Using your NRA Instructor credentials to gain favor is NOT a show of support.

 

[XTR]

To make a statement like that, you must be proud of our current leader......which is what makes you and I very different. I don't call Obama president because I am ashamed to. He has done nothing but embarrass me as a citizen.

Something I learned in the Navy, you may not have any respect what so ever for the man in it, but you salute the uniform. Like him or not, he is the President of the United States of America. Give the office it's due.



As to the point of this thread. I've before never lived in a state where there was any question of the outcome. This yr I am living in NH, and spent the last two months working outside of Cincinnati. Every morning when I was eating breakfast at the Hotel I saw anti-Clinton NRA adds, that wasn't cheap. I think their support of HP shooting is pathetic, but I applaud their efforts in protecting out T2A rights.

Now if they could just get Wayne L from ever going in front of a camera again they'd be way better off. You'd think with all the $$ NRA could get someone as good at public speaking as Milo S over at Breitbart. Feel free to be hung up on him being gay if you want, but that guy is a phenomenal public speaker. Instead they get guys like W L who comes off as one of the single most unlikable public figures I've ever witnessed on camera.

 

[bobinpa]

Something I learned in the Navy, you may not have any respect what so ever for the man in it, but you salute the uniform. Like him or not, he is the President of the United States of America. Give the office it's due.

I'm sorry but I can't agree with that logic. In the military you are required to salute whether you respect the person or not. In public life, I don't have to "salute" anything and I damn sure won't show Obama any respect. He is just a man like you or I and I don't see him being President as an accomplishment either, more like a travesty. I say that on the basis of the fact that he has done more to undermine the constitution and divide this nation than any other president that I can remember. Obama being in the office of the President of the United States is the biggest form of disrespect to that office that I can think of. I personally can't wait until they usher him out the door. But that's all just my opinion...