Freedom Benchrest allow 40lb metal Rear Rest?

[quest450]

You tell him Big John......tell him to go back to canuckistan

 

[shoot4fun]

You tell him Big John......tell him to go back to canuckistan

Revoke his stay here!!!!! Call ICE! (just kidding)

 

[quest450]

Lol, I hear ya Jerry....never liked immigrants myself.......OH WAIT

 

[rickiesrevenge]

There will be a change and if you saw what was being used you would think otherwise. All my life I restored classic muscle cars and sports cars and built and rebuilt engines. I dont want to slap a bunch of 25 to 40 pound plates with channel iron wrapped in tape and sluck them to a match.

Then dont slap on plates. Just because another guy is doing it doesnt mean you have to.

 

[Dave Way]

To get away from rear rests I want to use the front rest and current rules to make a point. I go to matches and see guys using hammers to drive the steel or carbide feet into the concrete or wood bench surfaces. It’s very common practice. Why do they do it? Obviously to eliminate horizontal movement of the rest. That is a mechanical process no different that driving a nail into a board. Under Freedom rules should this be legal? The way I read it, no. You have effectively increased the weight of the rest to several hundred pounds, maybe more.

From the Freedom website;

“The Front and Rear Rests may not be
mechanically attached to the bench, rifle or to the other rest.”

I’m not trying to stir the pot. I’m trying to show how rules get pushed to the maximum and the rules themselves need to be very specific and concise. Why not keep the old rules for LG and HG and come up with a true Unlimited class in Long Range Benchrest? Allow anything in that class to push the envelope while not pushing shooters out of the sport because they don’t have the means, time or desire to keep up with the new technology.

Just a thought.
Dave.

 

[buckeye68]

To get away from rear rests I want to use the front rest and current rules to make a point. I go to matches and see guys using hammers to drive the steel or carbide feet into the concrete or wood bench surfaces.

If a shooter did this at my club they would not only be ask to leave but they would be told to leave and never come back. This would be considered destroying club property and it’s not allowed.

 

[Canuckienns]

Revoke his stay here!!!!! Call ICE! (just kidding)

I see some jealousy of the master race here

 

[Canuckienns]

Went over to the welding shop this morning and contacted the Tampa Zoo about hiring out a monkey. Looks like there have been other inquiries about renting out a monkey. Hmmmm

 

[SS GO DEVIL]

I myself love to see the inventions some people bring to the match to try to wring out that extra inch of accuracy. For myself due to the fact that I have a fulltime job with limited time to test and reload like to abide by the KISS system. It just makes it more enjoyable to me, especially when the stars align and end up shooting small groups and good scores. One thing I would love to see is someone make a superlight tac type aluminum chassis with integral 3''-4'' fore end and rear bag rider so it would be more of a bench rest chassis. I'm sure its been done but it needs to be brought to market.

 

[jackieschmidt]

thanks, just to clarify a bit more and a quick question... "Sand Bags are required for the Front or Rear Rest System and must fully support the front, sides and rear of the rifle while in the Rest system. Size and thickness of the sand bags are not limited."

So, the sand bags must support the rear of rifle while in the rest system...but the sand bags do not need to "contact" the rest/bag rider mounted to the buttstock. IF this is correct I am thinking to use very thin bags under and along the sides in a rail system with roller bearings...or maybe attach roller bearings to the bag rider and have those roll back and forth across and along teflon rails over a very thin layer of sand...might not be pretty but should be pretty slick. Being able to adjust for windage without creating a pinch point is probably the most important aspect to consider. Might be easier to just to use a mini coaxial set up like our front rest. Fun project!

Interesting note. They probably need to add….”and must contact the rifle”.

 

[jackieschmidt]

If a shooter did this at my club they would not only be ask to leave but they would be told to leave and never come back. This would be considered destroying club property and it’s not allowed.

I shoot at quite few ranges over the Season, and every one requires “Super feet” under the rest spikes to protect the bench tops.

Of course, that is Short Range.

 

[Mulligan]

I shoot at quite few ranges over the Season, and every one requires “Super feet” under the rest spikes to protect the bench tops.

Of course, that is Short Range.

It is the same at Landsend Benchrest Club (SRBR) in Whitewater, CO and Western Colorado Rifle and Silhouette Club (LRBR) also at the Jarvis Shooting Complex in Whitewater, CO.

Ya pound spikes into our benches, you'll be escorted to the door.
Superfeet are required.

CW

 

[LRPV]

I myself love to see the inventions some people bring to the match to try to wring out that extra inch of accuracy. For myself due to the fact that I have a fulltime job with limited time to test and reload like to abide by the KISS system. It just makes it more enjoyable to me, especially when the stars align and end up shooting small groups and good scores. One thing I would love to see is someone make a superlight tac type aluminum chassis with integral 3''-4'' fore end and rear bag rider so it would be more of a bench rest chassis. I'm sure its been done but it needs to be brought to market.

The MDT Elite has been modified exactly like what you’re saying and works phenomenal. I think Curt Knitt set the “tac” gun record with a 1.3xx” 4 target agg. It is awesome and anything BUT lightweight.

 

[JFrank]

Adding all that extra width and weight to the butt stock doesn’t guarantee a winning combination. Some with the least still finish near the top.

Thread '2025 IBS 1000 Yard National Championships – Final Results (8/10/25)'

Aug 10, 2025

Results of the 2025 IBS 1000 Yard National Championships are attached.

Congratulations to the top shooters.

LG Winner for Group and Score was Kevin Turner, nice shooting!

HG Winner for Group, Trystan Williams with an aggregate of 3.754” for three targets…….3.756”, 3.650” & 3.856”…….check out those groups!

HG Winner for Score, David Torgerson with an aggregate of 296 for three targets!

Thanks for everyone making the trip, safe travels and see everyone next season!

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[SS GO DEVIL]

The MDT Elite has been modified exactly like what you’re saying and works phenomenal. I think Curt Knitt set the “tac” gun record with a 1.3xx” 4 target agg. It is awesome and anything BUT lightweight.

Any pics of that rig?

 

[Jvance513]

I have skimmed this thread with slight detail, and my opinion on a mechanical rear rest for light gun has always been, what advantage is it? I have won my fair share of matches and I’ve also lost my fair share. I feel that I can compete anywhere I go. Maybe not win, but can be competitive. I choose to shoot from a traditional rear bag because all of my stocks are made for that bag. And that’s the only reason. I don’t feel I’ve EVER lost a match because I was shooting a traditional bag against a mechanical rear rest. Truthfully is it that different from me shooting a Seb max in the front? Not to me. Truth be told the more mechanics we introduce into an equation the more chance you have of failure. Outside of ripping a hole in my bag, what else could go wrong? Let them guys shoot their rests. Half of this game is mental. If you don’t go to the bench with confidence in your setup, you’ve already lost. Now going to 5 shot heavy gun is a different story lmao. That’s one I can’t get behind, but whatever keeps people in this sport I’ll embrace it. I may not like it though haha.

 

[LRPV]

Any pics of that rig?

I don’t have any but I’m sure someone does.

 

[LRPV]

I have skimmed this thread with slight detail, and my opinion on a mechanical rear rest for light gun has always been, what advantage is it? I have won my fair share of matches and I’ve also lost my fair share. I feel that I can compete anywhere I go. Not win maybe but can be competitive. I choose to shoot from a traditional rear bag because all of my stocks are made for that bag. And that’s the only reason. I don’t feel I’ve EVER lost a match because I was shooting a traditional bag against a mechanical rear rest. Truthfully is it that different from me shooting a Seb max in the front? Not to me. Truth be told the more mechanics we introduce into an equation the more chance you have of failure. Outside of ripping a hole in my bag, what else could go wrong? Let them guys shoot their rests. Half of this game is mental. If you don’t go to the bench with confidence in your setup, you’ve already lost. Now going to 5 shot heavy gun is a different story lmao. That’s one I can’t get behind, but whatever keeps people in this sport I’ll embrace it. I may not like it though haha.

This made me think of another point. Most if not all of the guys around here are not using the rear for adjustments. They’re almost all solid, no adjustment set ups with adjustable legs to level up on crappy tops AND coarse height adjustment. In the before times you couldn’t use anything but leather spacers or dead bottoms to add height to a bag that was too short. Wood spacers would have been easier and far less costly but was illegal.

Learning how to order the correct rear bag and then learning how to correctly fill it is a talent that escapes a bunch of people.

 

[Mulligan]

Learning how to order the correct rear bag and then learning how to correctly fill it is a talent that escapes a bunch of people.

I still struggle with this. I bet I have 6-8 rear bags in a shed collecting dust.
CW

 

[Jvance513]

This made me think of another point. Most if not all of the guys around here are not using the rear for adjustments. They’re almost all solid, no adjustment set ups with adjustable legs to level up on crappy tops AND coarse height adjustment. In the before times you couldn’t use anything but leather spacers or dead bottoms to add height to a bag that was too short. Wood spacers would have been easier and far less costly but was illegal.

Learning how to order the correct rear bag and then learning how to correctly fill it is a talent that escapes a bunch of people.

THIS. Learning to tune your rear bag is an art within itself. Where to add sand and take sand away, where you position your stock in that bag. This is a game of fine tuning. 80 percent of this game is won in the loading room. It’s not hard to load good ammo now days with the components out there. Get a good smith, learn to truly tune a gun and never settle for “that’s good enough” and learn good bench manners. That’s the other 20 percent that people struggle with. The fine details.