I’ve got a brand new Kelbly Nanook and a new Trigger Tech special that I installed. After the trigger install it’s got a really stiff bolt when closing. Would having the trigger timed help with this or is there something I can do differently with the trigger? I’m thinking over time it will lighten up but it’s pretty damn stiff.
Do I time my trigger?
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FNSafari
Gold $$ Contributor
could be due to position of the sear on the trigger and/or the location of the trigger as installed on the hanger or action. If the trigger is in a fixed location on the action you have limited degrees of freedom. Being a Kelbly action and if it uses screw on hangers ask them for their suggestions to ease the cocking.
jackieschmidt
Gold $$ Contributor
Kelbly believes in using lot of firing pin travel and firing pin spring pressure. Many complain about cock on close, stiff closing and cocking, etc.
But they shoot great.
Kelbly makes hangers that do allow to move the cocking sear location forward or back. But I bet they will tell you that if you want a good shooting rifle, don’t lighten things up.
But they shoot great.
Kelbly makes hangers that do allow to move the cocking sear location forward or back. But I bet they will tell you that if you want a good shooting rifle, don’t lighten things up.
I talked to Kelbly. They said it’s a known issue with the newer Trigger Techs and there is really nothing that can be done. He said people will shim them but he doesn’t recommend it. The real solution is to buy a new trigger. He suggested Bix n Andy since that is the trigger they use on their guns. Timney was another option. Those trigger have some sear adjustability. I guess I will shoot the thing and see how much it bothers me but I suspect I will buy a new trigger. It’s just a hunting rifle so I’m thinking the TacSport is probably good enough vs the TacSport Pro.
jackieschmidt
Gold $$ Contributor
This is confusing.
All the trigger does is catch the cocking piece as the bolt moves forward. The amount of force that is involved with closing and opening the bolt is contained in the bolt assembly.
Aside from inducing less firing pin trave, how does the trigger affect the amount of force involved?
All the trigger does is catch the cocking piece as the bolt moves forward. The amount of force that is involved with closing and opening the bolt is contained in the bolt assembly.
Aside from inducing less firing pin trave, how does the trigger affect the amount of force involved?
I can’t answer that. I have zero knowledge about this subject. All I know is what he said. In reading between the lines maybe he’s saying TT doesn’t work well with their actions and Bix does.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
It may not be the trigger. I purchased a couple Kelbly Atlas actions last year and found the same thing (i.e. noticeable "cock on close", although it has previously been pointed out in a different thread here at AS that that particular term may not be correct for what is actually happening). In my case it wasn't the triggers, because it was quite noticeable even without the triggers installed. Hopefully, others more knowleageable on this topic will chime in, but my understanding is that this is just how some Kelbly actions are. I wouldn't jump to buy a new and expensive trigger until you are satisfied you understand exactly what is happening and have a better idea of whether a new trigger will actually solve the problem.
In my case, I decided to live with it, hoping it will ease a bit with use. In F-Class, rounds are single fed and because of the way I shoot, I basically rebuild my shooting position for every shot anyhow. I also purchased Kelbly's "Tactical" bolt knobs for both the actions, which have a slightly longer handle that should provide a bit more leverage. A friend has a Kelbly Atlas action that is several years old and he stated that the "cock on close" issue with his action eased noticeably with use.
In my case, I decided to live with it, hoping it will ease a bit with use. In F-Class, rounds are single fed and because of the way I shoot, I basically rebuild my shooting position for every shot anyhow. I also purchased Kelbly's "Tactical" bolt knobs for both the actions, which have a slightly longer handle that should provide a bit more leverage. A friend has a Kelbly Atlas action that is several years old and he stated that the "cock on close" issue with his action eased noticeably with use.
It's inherent with the Kelbly actions and is how they choose to make them. I'm not knocking them...they are a great action, but if you want it to feel like a Borden, buy a Borden. If you want it to shoot...buy either. It won't affect performance but the cock on close is a feel thing that some have learned to not accept. IMHO, we have possibly carried the "feel" aspect a little further than ideal. So, I agree with Kelbly in that regard. Their system is a good and proven one but yes, there are others that feel better. Any that I know of can be timed and smooth it out but it's on you to do that as I don't think you'll get far with Kelbly doing it. Again, it's how they choose to make them and for a reason.
This is all assuming there is not a true issue somewhere but only referring to the bit of cock on close that Kelbly designs into their actions. Call George and tell him his action is made wrong Lol!
This is all assuming there is not a true issue somewhere but only referring to the bit of cock on close that Kelbly designs into their actions. Call George and tell him his action is made wrong Lol!
jackieschmidt
Gold $$ Contributor
Ned, My favorite Varmint for Score Rifle is an old Right/Left Farley that I did some work on years ago. I off set drilled the trigger hanger toward the rear and bushed it back to 1/8 for the trigger pins. This increased the firing pin travel from an abysmal .180 inch to close to .230. I also made a spacer on the firing pin to increase the static pin pressure to 24 pounds.
This is probably the most accurate action I shoot. Since in Varmint for Score I have to move the rifle after each shot, I don’t mind the cock on close, or the heavy lift.
I would much rather have a rifle that is capable of shooting 25 X’s.
I have cured several other Farley’s belonging to friends with the same problem.
br1111
Silver $$ Contributor
I have a kelbly golden bear action It is nitrided black.I have a trigger tech diamond in it.When i got it there was no bump on the way down closing the bolt.It was smooth as butter all the way down, but it had 196 thousands of pin fall.I never shot it like that because i knew it was way short on pinfall for proper ignition ,so i got a trigger hanger from kelblys that moved the trigger back 60 thousands.Now it has the bump or cock on closing as some call it but it doesnt bother me one bit as all the barrels i have on it shoots lights out.Unless you are a shooter who runs groups very fast it is of no concern.
I have not. Is that a thing?
tmwinds
Gold $$ Contributor
I don’t think you can reverse the trigger hanger. You can get an off set trigger hanger that will give you less cock on close but you will lose firing pin fall.
Average joe
Gold $$ Contributor
Perhaps it’s not an issue of the being too far back.( that can be fixed with an offset hanger),,,,,,,
It may be protruding too high in the action, and putting upward force on the bolt.
It may be protruding too high in the action, and putting upward force on the bolt.
Possibly.
In my opinion, the Bat Nuevo is the smoothest and best feeling action on bolt closing.It's inherent with the Kelbly actions and is how they choose to make them. I'm not knocking them...they are a great action, but if you want it to feel like a Borden, buy a Borden. If you want it to shoot...buy either. It won't affect performance but the cock on close is a feel thing that some have learned to not accept. IMHO, we have possibly carried the "feel" aspect a little further than ideal. So, I agree with Kelbly in that regard. Their system is a good and proven one but yes, there are others that feel better. Any that I know of can be timed and smooth it out but it's on you to do that as I don't think you'll get far with Kelbly doing it. Again, it's how they choose to make them and for a reason.
This is all assuming there is not a true issue somewhere but only referring to the bit of cock on close that Kelbly designs into their actions. Call George and tell him his action is made wrong Lol!
It's a very good action, no doubt.
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