Dividers UNITE at Manatee

[johara1]

Benches are 5 ft. apart. No reasonable way to move them farther apart and still have a usable range. We fill the concrete space under the roof and there are sides to the range we go right up against. To have fewer benches would be a major detriment, as we found out during this virus time when we could not use but 8 benches.

Bet it would cost us thousands to tear apart the entire shooting line and make a change in bench separation. You have that kind of money to give us?

Each relay is time-consuming. Way to difficult to have events last mega-hours, especially into the Summer heat and weather possibilities. Our target crew and helpers are not in it to spend 8-12 hours a day working on the monthly events. Nuts to multiple relays plus ... who is going to figure out a bench schedule after finding out who does or does not have brakes on their rifles?

We had fun shoots and serious ones for years. These dividers both allow us to continue having shoots during this pandemic and provide some relief from muzzle blast. It is a WN WIN situation. Put the left-handers together and you only lose the use of one bench. That's literally nothing compared to what we had before the dividers.

I was just going by the pic that was there of a left and right hander together. The dividers are great but should not be attached to the bench, for more than one reason. 5 ft between the benches?.... jim

 

[Dgd6mm]

Well then why don't you have one relay for the people that shoot brakes, instead of letting them interfere with non brake shooters ?
No the problem is simple the benches are too close together..... jim

My suggestion would be get a rule change about the brakes. I stated in my earlier post I don't shoot IBS but I have dabbled in a few unsanctioned IBS target shoots. Me and my muzzle brake got moved way down the line several times after the first shot of my sighters in several shoots. Boy the alligator tears those shooters were crying, my shoes were soaked.

 

[jmcgowe]

I was just going by the pic that was there of a left and right hander together. The dividers are great but should not be attached to the bench, for more than one reason. 5 ft between the benches?.... jim

What are the "more than one reason(s)" ?

 

[johara1]

What are the "more than one reason(s)" ?

Take up room on the bench and the are like a sail and are subject to be ripped off on high wind or cause movement of the bench top.... jim

 

[CaptainMal]

Those concrete benches are immobile. They weigh a huge amount as they are poured concrete on block. No way is anything going to move the bench.

As for a sail, it would take quite a wind to maybe snap off the plastic pipes. The bases adjust so that if a shooter wanted to move a base for some reason, they can. I shot with one on and my elbow did not touch the rear base. If it had, I could have moved the base forward or backward. Seemed to me they sort of "bite down" in the wind and did not move.

Man I cannot feel the love here. Negative vibes for a viable solution that allows us to shoot rather than terminate our program duel to virus restrictions is quite a disappointment. We found a workable solution to having shoots. With a max of 8 shooters per line, a viable IBS program is not reasonable. Now we can continue to provide a long-range experience at Manatee. Without use of the benches that scheduled program for this Fall and Winter season was threatened to be cancelled.

Oh - just looking at the total bill for the dividers. They cost LESS than $50 in materials for each divider. Al designed, sourced and had all of them built. He is/was super! Show some respect.

I put this here as an idea for other clubs that might be dealing with the same issue during the virus pandemic. Thought my efforts would be helpful, not hateful.

 

[misfire]

Those concrete benches are immobile. They weigh a huge amount as they are poured concrete on block. No way is anything going to move the bench.

As for a sail, it would take quite a wind to maybe snap off the plastic pipes. The bases adjust so that if a shooter wanted to move a base for some reason, they can. I shot with one on and my elbow did not touch the rear base. If it had, I could have moved the base forward or backward. Seemed to me they sort of "bite down" in the wind and did not move.

Man I cannot feel the love here. Negative vibes for a viable solution that allows us to shoot rather than terminate our program duel to virus restrictions is quite a disappointment. We found a workable solution to having shoots. With a max of 8 shooters per line, a viable IBS program is not reasonable. Now we can continue to provide a long-range experience at Manatee. Without use of the benches that scheduled program for this Fall and Winter season was threatened to be cancelled.

Oh - just looking at the total bill for the dividers. They cost LESS than $50 in materials for each divider. Al designed, sourced and had all of them built. He is/was super! Show some respect.

I put this here as an idea for other clubs that might be dealing with the same issue during the virus pandemic. Thought my efforts would be helpful, not hateful.

I think it's grate, sure better than not shooting. And at 50 bucks its a bargain compared to the money spent hosting a match. Good on you and your club.

Jim

 

[johara1]

Constructive criticism, you have some fallacies in the design but for right hand shooters only and to put left handers on a separate relay is discriminatory .... jim

 

[Deleted outa08]

Those concrete benches are immobile. They weigh a huge amount as they are poured concrete on block. No way is anything going to move the bench.

As for a sail, it would take quite a wind to maybe snap off the plastic pipes. The bases adjust so that if a shooter wanted to move a base for some reason, they can. I shot with one on and my elbow did not touch the rear base. If it had, I could have moved the base forward or backward. Seemed to me they sort of "bite down" in the wind and did not move.

Man I cannot feel the love here. Negative vibes for a viable solution that allows us to shoot rather than terminate our program duel to virus restrictions is quite a disappointment. We found a workable solution to having shoots. With a max of 8 shooters per line, a viable IBS program is not reasonable. Now we can continue to provide a long-range experience at Manatee. Without use of the benches that scheduled program for this Fall and Winter season was threatened to be cancelled.

Oh - just looking at the total bill for the dividers. They cost LESS than $50 in materials for each divider. Al designed, sourced and had all of them built. He is/was super! Show some respect.

I put this here as an idea for other clubs that might be dealing with the same issue during the virus pandemic. Thought my efforts would be helpful, not hateful.

Captain, if a couple of the critics shot at your club and had first hand knowledge of the dividers I would hear them out. But not someone from PA or North Dakota, they should tend to biz in their neck of the woods. And I measured two ranges and the spacing was 4.1/2 to 5 ft at both. So stick in there, I like the design and will forward these pics to a couple clubs. Jeff

 

[Alibaba]

Jeff
Very well said thank you sir.
Al. B

 

[CaptainMal]

Let's look at bench spacing again. here is Al with a bench next to him. The gap is 5 ft between benches so it would be the same from where Al is sitting to the unoccupied seat to his right on the next bench. That is NOT a 6 ft. recommended Virus separation and against our county regulations.
Imports - 1 of 1 (15) by Larry Malinoski, on Flickr

Now we look at the same benches in the picture below where a left-hander is next to a right-handed shooter.

F2088F95-AFE2-43D0-8A3C-8D84E2ECBA55 by Larry Malinoski, on Flickr

At best there is only a foot spacing between these shooters. Now wait a minute. To get another 5 ft. or more spacing you would need to have benches
10-12 ft. apart. Forget a 6-7ft. bench spacing. That would be no good and a violation of the 6 ft. distance virus regulations. I venture there are NO ranges in use today that have that kind of bench spacing to allow a left-hander to shoot next to a right-handed shooter.

The IBS ruling of random bench assignments would not be met by any range in existence during mandatory virus spacing. Because of this issue and without some form of divider, most all ranges would have to either be shut down or make some kind of modification in bench assignments to deal with the left-hand/right-hand shooter issue.

I wrote a note to the IBS and am awaiting a reply. Divider or not - we do have a problem safely dealing with this issue.

 

[big john 5394]

Bench assignments can be worked out so it would be fair for ever one,left handed draw for rely then draw for bench now take there bench and the one next to it out off the computer and let the computer decide the rest , fair for every one.
Think Positive
John Granauro

 

[Dub]

There are a few “ dividers” right here on the thread.....

 

[kneedtospeed]

I'm still trying to understand chasing a Lands (LOL), and now This...??
Apparently Cabin fever has set in for many, who need to get back to work, and remember how to Enjoy playing a game.
What would happen if they ever had a Real problem?


Good Job Al !
Way Way better than a shut down.
Many places have not even shot this year. I Commend your efforts.

 

[johara1]

Let's look at bench spacing again. here is Al with a bench next to him. The gap is 5 ft between benches so it would be the same from where Al is sitting to the unoccupied seat to his right on the next bench. That is NOT a 6 ft. recommended Virus separation and against our county regulations.
Imports - 1 of 1 (15) by Larry Malinoski, on Flickr

Now we look at the same benches in the picture below where a left-hander is next to a right-handed shooter.

F2088F95-AFE2-43D0-8A3C-8D84E2ECBA55 by Larry Malinoski, on Flickr

At best there is only a foot spacing between these shooters. Now wait a minute. To get another 5 ft. or more spacing you would need to have benches
10-12 ft. apart. Forget a 6-7ft. bench spacing. That would be no good and a violation of the 6 ft. distance virus regulations. I venture there are NO ranges in use today that have that kind of bench spacing to allow a left-hander to shoot next to a right-handed shooter.

The IBS ruling of random bench assignments would not be met by any range in existence during mandatory virus spacing. Because of this issue and without some form of divider, most all ranges would have to either be shut down or make some kind of modification in bench assignments to deal with the left-hand/right-hand shooter issue.

I wrote a note to the IBS and am awaiting a reply. Divider or not - we do have a problem safely dealing with this issue.

Boy are you wrong there..... You better take a look at Williamsport 12' spacing left and right and muzzle brakes no problem and so is social distancing no problem no need for any kind of shield..... jim

 

[big john 5394]

I wonder what the naysayers did for a living a hope they where not on the suicide hot line, all problems no cures.
Big John

 

[johara1]

Yep two ways to build things right the first time or patch it it up because it wasn't well thought out ...... jim

 

[big john 5394]

It was built right the first time it only takes up 2 inches off bench space it adjustable it works for left & right shooters ,and it dont blow over and it stores flat . what more can you ask for.
Big John

 

[Alibaba]

Jim
I respect your opinion but the bottom line is that we are trying to keep everyone safe and at the same time enjoy our range. Maybe someday when you make it to Florida and visit our range then maybe you can give your suggestion in the meantime we will continue to enjoy our Range while trying to Social distance stay safe from the virus and have fun doing it. Al. B

 

[Ga. Dawg]

Keep up the good work y’all, don’t let the negative interfere with your progress.

Mike

 

[jcline]

At some point the old saying my grandfather told me many years ago applies to this conversation "Never wrestle with a pig, all you do is get muddy and then realize the pig is enjoying it"