Defiance Classic

[gamc]

Who is fire selling these in short action right now ?
I have an old school M40A1 stock inletted for a short 700 new. Will the classic drop in ? I don't want to modify the stock as it is real USMC from the 80's.
It looks like the ejection port is longer
Thx

 

[L.Sherm]

It looks like the ejection port is longer

My SA classic has a 2-3/4" ejection port i believe same as a model 7

 

[urbanrifleman]

Who is fire selling these in short action right now ?
I have an old school M40A1 stock inletted for a short 700 new. Will the classic drop in ? I don't want to modify the stock as it is real USMC from the 80's.
It looks like the ejection port is longer
Thx

I had a customer that got one and hated it. He was not impressed.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I got one of the standard weight( not skeletonized) nitrated Classic action today from bug holes.com. It looks like a little will have to be trimmed on the back of the loading/ ejection port on the stock. Handle is swept back to fit the 700 better than Tenacity. Primary extraction looks great. No fire sale though!

 

[littlebuddybr]

I had a customer that got one and hated it. He was not impressed.

What did he hate about it???

I have found it would be very difficult to hate a defiance.

 

[urbanrifleman]

What did he hate about it???

I have found it would be very difficult to hate a defiance.

He said compared to his Kelbly Atlas it was rough all over.

 

[nakneker]

I’ve been happy with Defiance, I also discovered Kauger. Incredible value on a superb action. Might be worth a look.

https://shop.kaugerarms.com/actions/The

 

[urbanrifleman]

I’ve been happy with Defiance, I also discovered Kauger. Incredible value on a superb action. Might be worth a look.

https://shop.kaugerarms.com/actions/The

We all shoot Kauger. It's the only action I suggest these days. Not to mention Adam and Tim are awesome.

Just finished my seventh build this year (mine, wife's, buddy's, kids, etc). All Kaugers.

 

[STOMP442]

I've got a Creedmoor built on a classic action. Dropped right into an HS Precision stock with no issue if that helps. An action you may consider is the Weatherby 307 builders action. Midway had them on sale a couple weeks ago for like $630. I was hesitant because of some reviews I have read but I couldn't be more pleased with it. Its light weight, very smooth and classically styled which I like with all of the upgraded features you want in an action. I spun up a 24" Proof sendero light in 7 SAUM and after the first range trip it looks like its going to be a shooter.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I've got a Creedmoor built on a classic action. Dropped right into an HS Precision stock with no issue if that helps. An action you may consider is the Weatherby 307 builders action. Midway had them on sale a couple weeks ago for like $630. I was hesitant because of some reviews I have read but I couldn't be more pleased with it. Its light weight, very smooth and classically styled which I like with all of the upgraded features you want in an action. I spun up a 24" Proof sendero light in 7 SAUM and after the first range trip it looks like its going to be a shooter.

That action looks good. I like the Sheridan WY stamped on it.

 

[Just Say Moe]

Who is fire selling these in short action right now ?
I have an old school M40A1 stock inletted for a short 700 new. Will the classic drop in ? I don't want to modify the stock as it is real USMC from the 80's.
It looks like the ejection port is longer
Thx

Red Hawk rifles $891

You will have a little sliver of wood higher than the back part of the port. On my Tenacity action, it is only cosmetic in a HS stock.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I've got a Creedmoor built on a classic action. Dropped right into an HS Precision stock with no issue if that helps. An action you may consider is the Weatherby 307 builders action. Midway had them on sale a couple weeks ago for like $630. I was hesitant because of some reviews I have read but I couldn't be more pleased with it. Its light weight, very smooth and classically styled which I like with all of the upgraded features you want in an action. I spun up a 24" Proof sendero light in 7 SAUM and after the first range trip it looks like its going to be a shooter.

Does that action hold headspace that you know of?

 

[STOMP442]

I want to say yes. It comes with a nice chambering diagram in the box and the measurements I took from my action in hand matched exactly what the diagram was telling me. Like I said I was impressed with what I saw vs what I paid.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I want to say yes. It comes with a nice chambering diagram in the box and the measurements I took from my action in hand matched exactly what the diagram was telling me. Like I said I was impressed with what I saw vs what I paid.

I liked the 8-40 base screw base holes on it too.

 

[mauser284]

Does that action hold headspace that you know of?

What are you talking about? You set the head space when chambering. Your not talking about the terrible Deffiance marketing bragging about their sloppy for cost head space gurantee are you? Lot's of typo's in their web site for a company that wants just under $2000 for an action!

The problem with the Defiance is the price versus quality of machine work. It is not that there is anything wrong with them outside of the fact that they are not much better than an accuraized factory rifle but for a lot more money. Plenty of other custom makers that make products just as good or better for a lot less money. Defiance to me is like purchashing a Chevy but paying Ferrari prices. I also consider them the action of hipsters that want to look like PRS and NRL competitors if they are or not. Same sort of guys that would put a 3lbs. scope on a 5lbs. rifle.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

What are you talking about? You set the head space when chambering. Your not talking about the terrible Deffiance marketing bragging about their sloppy for cost head space gurantee are you? Lot's of typo's in their web site for a company that wants just under $2000 for an action!

The problem with the Defiance is the price versus quality of machine work. It is not that there is anything wrong with them outside of the fact that they are not much better than an accuraized factory rifle but for a lot more money. Plenty of other custom makers that make products just as good or better for a lot less money. Defiance to me is like purchashing a Chevy but paying Ferrari prices. I also consider them the action of hipsters that want to look like PRS and NRL competitors if they are or not. Same sort of guys that would put a 3lbs. scope on a 5lbs. rifle.

I think Urban was asking about the Weatherby 700 clone action tolerances. Interesting thoughts on Defiance though, lol.

 

[urbanrifleman]

What are you talking about? You set the head space when chambering. Your not talking about the terrible Deffiance marketing bragging about their sloppy for cost head space gurantee are you? Lot's of typo's in their web site for a company that wants just under $2000 for an action!

The problem with the Defiance is the price versus quality of machine work. It is not that there is anything wrong with them outside of the fact that they are not much better than an accuraized factory rifle but for a lot more money. Plenty of other custom makers that make products just as good or better for a lot less money. Defiance to me is like purchashing a Chevy but paying Ferrari prices. I also consider them the action of hipsters that want to look like PRS and NRL competitors if they are or not. Same sort of guys that would put a 3lbs. scope on a 5lbs. rifle.

I was asking about the WeatherBy

 

[urbanrifleman]

I want to say yes. It comes with a nice chambering diagram in the box and the measurements I took from my action in hand matched exactly what the diagram was telling me. Like I said I was impressed with what I saw vs what I paid.

Well heck yes!!!

Might have to get one to test.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Red Hawk rifles $891

You will have a little sliver of wood higher than the back part of the port. On my Tenacity action, it is only cosmetic in a HS stock.

The Classic at Red Hawk looks to be the skeletonized model.This is the back side of the regular Classic. A lot more meat in it than the other one, plus bolt handle is not hollowed out.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

For the guys not happy with Defiance, what exactly is it you dont like? They are probably the action that requires the least work out of the box that comes through here. I guess guys are not checking lug contact, shroud fit, firing pin drag, timing, ext. or they would like them.