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Damsel needs advice-what rifle is suitable for long distance competitive shooting?

I might reccomend a slightly different road to start down since you are are a new shooter. Start simple. F-TR or F-open is a lot of fun, but it gets to be really expensive really quick. High power (also know as service rifle) can be a cheaper way to go to start, but it’s a very different game from F class. I would reccomend a little more “Universal” rifle to start with. Something that you can shoot many different disciplines with and still be sucsessful. This allows you to get a better taste of what kind of competitions or fun shooting is out there and you can decide what you really want to do. I’ve been a shooter all my life but when I started teaching my girlfriend at the time (now wife)how to shoot we found she liked some different versions of long range shooting than what we expected. She thinks Fclass and high power are both fairly boring (hasn’t shot on e-targets yet) but she has loved long range steel plate shooting from the first match we went to.

I’ll start with a little bit of a gear list, just to give you an idea then explain a little as to why.
rifle: 223 bolt rifle with a 1:7 or 1:8 twist. I highly reccomend a Tikka T3x sporter

Scope: Leupold, Vortex, Nightforce, Zeiss. All in a variable power, 6 to 20x or 8-25x somewhere in that range. Lots of places to find these, new or used.

bipod, If you can afford an Atlas bipod then start there (230$) if you can’t, then any of the Harris type bipos will work fine.

Shooting Mat: Midway Pro series on sale for Black Friday for 36$

Ammo: Buy whatever shoots well in your rifle and buy as much as you can afford. If you reload, then Lapua brass, Varget or Shooters World Precision powder and good bullets (77gr SMKs, 80 or 88 ELD Match).

Now, as to why and I am biased on some of these. I bought a Tikka T3 sporter in 260 rem about 10 years ago to try out the whole 6.5mm bullet thing. It’s a really great rifle, very well built and very capable. They look great too. I started my wife shooting this rifle when we first met and she LOVED that rifle and competing with it. Low recoil, adjustable cheekpiece which I view as an absolute must and easy to operate. Scopes are important, equally as important as the rifle. You’ll appreciate a really good rifle later, stick with fairly common and simple to start. Vortex makes some decent stuff, personally I like leupold more and especially the 6.5-20 or 8.5-25 VX-3 LRP. I think a variable scope is important if you want to try several different disciplines. The fixed 36x or 42x scopes are great for Fclass but they suck everywhere else. You don’t need a big fancy bipod to get started or even to do well. You can easily shoot fclass Expert scores and even master scores with a normal bipod. Shooting mats are easy to come by but needed. I shoot with one of those midway shooting mats, they work great and they are cheap. Really cheap at the moment. Ammo is just as important as the rifle and scope. 223 is a great caliber to start with because good factory ammo is cheap if you have to buy it. 223 has great barrel life (3000-5000 rounds depending on many factors). You don’t need anything bigger out to 600yds and it is capable out to 1000yds. It’s also cheap to load for if you are hand loading. I’ve been having good luck with the 88eldms and SWP powder in my service rifle and several multi purpose rifle. The 88eldms can be bought today for .22$ each which makes for cheap shooting. A good friend once told me “when you fill a dump truck full of used brass you’ll be a good shooter”…….so shoot often, shoot a lot and keep em in the 10 ring
 
I woul start from a different angle. Do you want just to shoot at long distance, participate in a competition or do you want to win matches? If the latter is the case then you have to realize at the very beginning that there are some do's and dont's here, e.g:
1. Reloading is mandatory. Speaking of which. You have to buy only quality stuff from the very beginning- scales, dies, trimmers etc. don't you ever touch anything manufactured by Lee.
2. Scope will stay with you for long. Buy only quality scope. I personally use March. You can find a good deal on used nightforce, delta etc. I wouldn' buy anything with max. magnification smaller than x50.
3. Build a custom rifle and don't look back. Or buy a used savage precision elite. You can then swap the barrel to Krieger and stay in the game.
4. Even with quality equipment you have learn a lot on tricks in reloading which can help you have SDs below 3m/s. Wind reading is essential. So on both issues you have to find a mentor. Ideally a guy with over 30 years of reloading and competitive shooting experience.
 
I might reccomend a slightly different road to start down since you are are a new shooter. Start simple. F-TR or F-open is a lot of fun, but it gets to be really expensive really quick. High power (also know as service rifle) can be a cheaper way to go to start, but it’s a very different game from F class. I would reccomend a little more “Universal” rifle to start with. Something that you can shoot many different disciplines with and still be sucsessful. This allows you to get a better taste of what kind of competitions or fun shooting is out there and you can decide what you really want to do. I’ve been a shooter all my life but when I started teaching my girlfriend at the time (now wife)how to shoot we found she liked some different versions of long range shooting than what we expected. She thinks Fclass and high power are both fairly boring (hasn’t shot on e-targets yet) but she has loved long range steel plate shooting from the first match we went to.

I’ll start with a little bit of a gear list, just to give you an idea then explain a little as to why.
rifle: 223 bolt rifle with a 1:7 or 1:8 twist. I highly reccomend a Tikka T3x sporter

Scope: Leupold, Vortex, Nightforce, Zeiss. All in a variable power, 6 to 20x or 8-25x somewhere in that range. Lots of places to find these, new or used.

bipod, If you can afford an Atlas bipod then start there (230$) if you can’t, then any of the Harris type bipos will work fine.

Shooting Mat: Midway Pro series on sale for Black Friday for 36$

Ammo: Buy whatever shoots well in your rifle and buy as much as you can afford. If you reload, then Lapua brass, Varget or Shooters World Precision powder and good bullets (77gr SMKs, 80 or 88 ELD Match).

Now, as to why and I am biased on some of these. I bought a Tikka T3 sporter in 260 rem about 10 years ago to try out the whole 6.5mm bullet thing. It’s a really great rifle, very well built and very capable. They look great too. I started my wife shooting this rifle when we first met and she LOVED that rifle and competing with it. Low recoil, adjustable cheekpiece which I view as an absolute must and easy to operate. Scopes are important, equally as important as the rifle. You’ll appreciate a really good rifle later, stick with fairly common and simple to start. Vortex makes some decent stuff, personally I like leupold more and especially the 6.5-20 or 8.5-25 VX-3 LRP. I think a variable scope is important if you want to try several different disciplines. The fixed 36x or 42x scopes are great for Fclass but they suck everywhere else. You don’t need a big fancy bipod to get started or even to do well. You can easily shoot fclass Expert scores and even master scores with a normal bipod. Shooting mats are easy to come by but needed. I shoot with one of those midway shooting mats, they work great and they are cheap. Really cheap at the moment. Ammo is just as important as the rifle and scope. 223 is a great caliber to start with because good factory ammo is cheap if you have to buy it. 223 has great barrel life (3000-5000 rounds depending on many factors). You don’t need anything bigger out to 600yds and it is capable out to 1000yds. It’s also cheap to load for if you are hand loading. I’ve been having good luck with the 88eldms and SWP powder in my service rifle and several multi purpose rifle. The 88eldms can be bought today for .22$ each which makes for cheap shooting. A good friend once told me “when you fill a dump truck full of used brass you’ll be a good shooter”…….so shoot often, shoot a lot and keep em in the 10 ring
Hey there. Thank you for this. I just think you may have sold me. Ironically, I thought about getting Tikka rifle you recommended, long before your post. I think with the insight you have given me in your post, I should be able to make all this work. Thank you so much, I'll be sure to post what I get!

You are also right; I will appreciate a good rifle later on and that is initially what I want to start with if possible. Thank you for taking the time to post all the information to help me get started.
 
Your more than welcome, feel free and ask any questions you have anytime. By the way, I think I would buy the 24” barrel of the Tikka T3x Sporter instead of the 20” barrel version simply because you’ll get another 100fps velocity out of that extra 4” of barrel. Just as an FYI, a 223 rifle like the tikka is actually legal for a lot of different disciplines.
FT-R
PRS
Palma (with open sights)
NRA match rifle
Any/Any matches
Stock/Hunting rifle matches

Dont worry about investing in big name hardware/gear up front. Buy the best gear you can easily afford. Your going to have more fun and more success by just shooting with whatever gear you have rather than stretching too far to get the high end gear and not being able to afford to shoot. You’ll learn far more shooting 2000 rounds through a 500$-1000$ gun than 200 rounds through a 5000$ gun. Learn to shoot in the wind, and the only way to do that is to shoot alot.

As much as we all think we can outshoot a 4000$ rifle the harsh reality is most people can’t including a lot of distinguished high masters. I own several 4K$ guns (I build my own) and I know for sure I can’t outshoot them. I can’t outshoot the Nightforce NXS scopes that I have on most of my target rifles (bought most of them used). But this is a good thing. The day you walk off the shooting line knowing for sure you can outshoot your rifle is the day you know you need a new rifle and scope.

Shoot often and shoot alot. That’s the key. A 223 bolt rifle is a great way to start and inexpensive enough to keep shooting. I would also advise you to start reloading your own ammo as soon as you can afford to buy the equipment. Reloading will let you make cheaper ammo that will also shoot better than factory ammo in your rifle.
 
Hi Torif, I shoot 600yd and 1000yd IBS competition for the past few years. There is a lot to learn and many different disciplines and classes within. The people on here are a great source of information and experience. I actually live in Iowa also, just west of Manchester which is North of you. Shoot me a PM and i'll get you my information and we all will help you out.
Matt Koohy
 
I would go one of the Iowa clubs and meet the people. My suggestion would be to make friends with a few people and see if you can borrow a rifle for a few matches. It is a great way to try each sport. Many people have extra equipment that we have no issue loaning out to help get people in the sport.

Try more than one. Service rifle or Palma are also out there. There is a sport for every. It can be hard to understand what area will bring you the most enjoyment. Palma with a sling and iron sights is hard and not many people transition from fclass to sling shooting. Shooting is supposed to be fun.
 
I would suggest you assemble a rifle from my store. The Revolution benchrest stock is outstanding. A 6bra barrel with 104 freebore is the easy button.

I figure with a Remington action you can be completely built for about $1400.

Its either this or a Savage to get into a true benchrest/fclass type under your budget.
 
If urbanrifleman carried actions it truly would be a "one stop shop". He really does make it easy to put together a pretty nice rifle if you are budget oriented.
 
Your more than welcome, feel free and ask any questions you have anytime. By the way, I think I would buy the 24” barrel of the Tikka T3x Sporter instead of the 20” barrel version simply because you’ll get another 100fps velocity out of that extra 4” of barrel. Just as an FYI, a 223 rifle like the tikka is actually legal for a lot of different disciplines.
FT-R
PRS
Palma (with open sights)
NRA match rifle
Any/Any matches
Stock/Hunting rifle matches

Dont worry about investing in big name hardware/gear up front. Buy the best gear you can easily afford. Your going to have more fun and more success by just shooting with whatever gear you have rather than stretching too far to get the high end gear and not being able to afford to shoot. You’ll learn far more shooting 2000 rounds through a 500$-1000$ gun than 200 rounds through a 5000$ gun. Learn to shoot in the wind, and the only way to do that is to shoot alot.

As much as we all think we can outshoot a 4000$ rifle the harsh reality is most people can’t including a lot of distinguished high masters. I own several 4K$ guns (I build my own) and I know for sure I can’t outshoot them. I can’t outshoot the Nightforce NXS scopes that I have on most of my target rifles (bought most of them used). But this is a good thing. The day you walk off the shooting line knowing for sure you can outshoot your rifle is the day you know you need a new rifle and scope.

Shoot often and shoot alot. That’s the key. A 223 bolt rifle is a great way to start and inexpensive enough to keep shooting. I would also advise you to start reloading your own ammo as soon as you can afford to buy the equipment. Reloading will let you make cheaper ammo that will also shoot better than factory ammo in your rifle.
Thank you! I wrote all of that down lol. I will look at the Tikka later today! Perfect information and I appreciate all your help. Everyone on here has helped me to understand the rifle world a lot better!
 
I would suggest you assemble a rifle from my store. The Revolution benchrest stock is outstanding. A 6bra barrel with 104 freebore is the easy button.

I figure with a Remington action you can be completely built for about $1400.

Its either this or a Savage to get into a true benchrest/fclass type under your budget.
$1400. Hmmm, I will message you in a bit!
 
Hi Torif, I shoot 600yd and 1000yd IBS competition for the past few years. There is a lot to learn and many different disciplines and classes within. The people on here are a great source of information and experience. I actually live in Iowa also, just west of Manchester which is North of you. Shoot me a PM and i'll get you my information and we all will help you out.
Matt Koohy
Hey!! Thank you! I will shoot you a message, you aren't too far but about a 30 minute drive!
 
Lots of good advise has been given. I suggest a .223, maybe used, seeing that it could have everything you would need for shooting out to 600 yards. If you want to build a rifle keep in mind “buy once cry once”. There are lots of options. My Remington 223 shoots great and there are lots of aftermarket parts available. Ruger also makes a RPR that lots of folks like. I also agree a mentor to help you get started will help you get a jump start on learning the proper way to shoot Your new rifle. This forum is a great place to ask questions. Lots a great shooters here.
Thank you! Yes, I have read, commented and mostly learned from all the advice I have gotten on y post. All of ya'll are so helpful. I have a good path and understand the process and what I need to go with for a rifle now!
 
Torif - given your intentions, the first question I would ask is whether you reload your own ammunition. Although it is not absolutely "essential" to get started in F-Class, eventually you will want to roll your own if you want to compete at a high level. There are two reasons I mention this. The first is that you will want to consider the cost of reloading equipment and supplies at some point, which will be above and beyond the cost of a complete rifle setup. Secondly, your intentions and physical description would match up very well with using .223 Rem as a caliber, which would put you into the F-Target Rifle (F-TR) subdivision of F-Class. Unfortunately, most .223 Rem offerings in commercial ammunition are not at all ideal for shooting at 600+ yd, due to the lighter bullet weights used. In order to get started (if you don't already reload), the .308 Win would be a better choice for F-TR shooting at 600+ yd, as a few heavier bullet options are commercially available. However, the .308 Win will have substantially more recoil than a .223 Rem, which might be a deal breaker in terms of just getting started. These are things to think about.

Given your location, the Milan Rifle Club might be a good place to get started:


Last I heard, they host High Power/F-Class matches out to 600 yd and are located a bit closer to you than Des Moines, being just across the river almost straight south of Davenport. There are certainly other options in the general region, but most will be in the range of 4+ hr driving time. I shoot F-TR at Eastern Nebraska Gun Club (https://engc.us/home), slightly southwest of Omaha, but that would also be a bit of a drive for you. Nonetheless, you are more than welcome to come out and shoot with us next season. In fact, I have a couple .223 Rem F-TR rifles that I shoot regularly in matches in addition to .308 Win. I would be willing to load up rounds and let you shoot one in a match to see what you think. I'm sure you would also find plenty of discussion with our shooters regarding an F-Class rifle setup and competing in F-Class. We have a few shooters from IA that may also be able to point you to a venue closer to home. I appreciate that the logistics of traveling to Omaha are not as appealing as finding a range that hosts F-Class matches closer to home, but the offer is open if you ever want to make the drive. You can always contact me via PM here if interested, or just for answers to any questions you might have.

To elaborate a bit more on the .223 Rem, most F-TR competitors that use one are hand-loading bullets in the 80-95 gr weight range, as these bullets are noticeably more resistant to wind deflection than the lighter (77 gr and below) bullets typically found in commercial ammunition. Because the bullets most often used are much longer (heavier) than those found in commercial ammunition, you want a rifle with a chamber that has a long throat better able to accommodate them. Barrel lengths of 30" (or more) are also the norm. These long bullets also require a relatively fast rifling twist rate (7.0-twist is generally sufficient) in order to fully stabilize them. One rifle that satisfies most of these requirements that also falls well within your price range is the Savage 12 F/TR rifle in .223 Rem.

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=18154

The one caveat to that is that I don't know exactly how long the throat of the Savage 12 F/TR rifle is out of the box is, but the barrel length and twist rate are spot on. Further, the throat length can be extended with a special tool. There are other considerations with the Savage rifles, those being the Accu-trigger, which some don't care for, and that the factory barrels are generally pretty rough inside the bore. Nonetheless, factory Savage rifles can shoot straight out of the box, and I have seen many very fine scores posted by folks using them. Further, once the factory barrel is shot out, it can be replaced with a quality aftermarket barrel chambered any way you like. So another attractive feature about the Savage rifles for those just starting out in F-Class is that they will typically burn out the factory barrel while learning more about F-Class shooting and gaining experience in the discipline. By the time the factory barrel is burned out, they will be more experienced and ready to upgrade with a new barrel. For that reason, the factory barrel really shouldn't be a deal-breaker, and as I mentioned, factory Savage rifles can shoot extremely well. Again, something to think about.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do in competition precision rifle shooting! It's not exactly the "least expensive" sport you could have chosen, but you'll meet a lot of great folks and enjoy the thrill of competition.
Thanks again for your insight. I have met a lot of helpful people on here and even better, there are a handful that live real close to me that are offering their help. P.S. everyone seems to love the Savage rifle for me. I will probably go with that one or a Tikka! Thanks again!
 
I woul start from a different angle. Do you want just to shoot at long distance, participate in a competition or do you want to win matches? If the latter is the case then you have to realize at the very beginning that there are some do's and dont's here, e.g:
1. Reloading is mandatory. Speaking of which. You have to buy only quality stuff from the very beginning- scales, dies, trimmers etc. don't you ever touch anything manufactured by Lee.
2. Scope will stay with you for long. Buy only quality scope. I personally use March. You can find a good deal on used nightforce, delta etc. I wouldn' buy anything with max. magnification smaller than x50.
3. Build a custom rifle and don't look back. Or buy a used savage precision elite. You can then swap the barrel to Krieger and stay in the game.
4. Even with quality equipment you have learn a lot on tricks in reloading which can help you have SDs below 3m/s. Wind reading is essential. So on both issues you have to find a mentor. Ideally a guy with over 30 years of reloading and competitive shooting experience.
Hey there. I can shoot long distance already. Ideally, I want to participate in an FTR and win an FTR. Everyone on the forum has told me to buy a Savage model or have someone build a custom for me. I will take your advice on getting a greater scope. Now, we just need to find someone to teach me to reload because I am VERY NOVICE in reloading .223. Any recommendations on that?
 

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