Does the type of crown affect how effective a muzzle brake is? 11deg vs recess target.
Mike
Mike
crown vs muzzle brake
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Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Nope, at least not from any semblance of a practical purposes perspective. Most people would struggle to feel the difference between the most efficient brake and a $30 one, as well. In a sense, that would make the $30 brake the most efficient. 
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Nope, at least not from any semblance of a practical purposes perspective. Most people would struggle to feel the difference between the most efficient brake and a $30 one, as well. In a sense, that would make the $30 brake the most efficient.
You get one of the brakes from nathan at muzzlebrakesandmore and youll have a heavier wallet AND can actually feel the difference. Its amazing
I've used several of them. They are good brakes, no question.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
There's definitely a difference that can be felt with different brake designs, but I do not believe the crown shape makes much if any difference.
I put an Area 419 Sidewinder on my last build (300 Norma Mag Improved) and the recoil reduction is unreal. Granted the rifle is very heavy, but the recoil is so minimal that a small toddler child could shoot it with ease.
The best recoil reduction is found with brakes that have the side ports angled back towards the muzzle/shooter. Much more effective than brakes with ports straight out the sides at 90 degrees
I put an Area 419 Sidewinder on my last build (300 Norma Mag Improved) and the recoil reduction is unreal. Granted the rifle is very heavy, but the recoil is so minimal that a small toddler child could shoot it with ease.
The best recoil reduction is found with brakes that have the side ports angled back towards the muzzle/shooter. Much more effective than brakes with ports straight out the sides at 90 degrees
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
correct me if I'm wrong,even with a 90 degree face,the important part is recessed to protect the rifling,same as a crown,,
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
No need for recessing a crown at all if the barrel wears a brake.
It doesn't really have to be recessed, the muzzle was threaded for a brake, a thread protector if screwed on would protect the crown too.
Good input, I was introduced to the 419 hellfire self timing brake on a 300 Norma, wow, I put one on my 7 saum, love it. Fast forward to this year, I just built a dasher and put the same brake on it(6.5), not enough volume of gas to really make the brake work that great.
For entertainment, look at brake designs coming out for these 2 mile guns, or better yet, brakes for 9mm carbines<crack a beer and grab a snack.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
I was thinking before a brake or thread protector.forgive me,I speak redneck,,translations bad at times,,
Ok, I will, even w/o a muzzle treatment, a guy could probably never damage the rifling. I store my rifles barrel up, I can protect the area traveling too, pretty rare I jam the muzzle into the ground, something tells me that is unwise for a variety of reasons.I was thinking before a brake or thread protector.forgive me,I speak redneck,,translations bad at times,,
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
get yourself some of those fuzzy things things they put on golf clubs,color of choice,,
I use to average 175 brake installs/year and tested most all of them as well as designed a few of my own. I'm not bashing on anyone's stuff and Nathan's is probably the best anywhere near that price range, and one of the best brakes period.
My point was strictly about "feel" and how much difference, if any, the average person could actually feel. There is a substantial difference is measured reduction between some designs but that substantial amount gets lost in the noise largely, when it comes down to feeling it. I wanted the best for run and gun competitions, where time between follow up shots is critical. Much more critical in that game than in the prairie or on a bolt gun. Even the worst brake makes a huge difference. Believe it or not, one of the best performing brakes was a very simple one that had a single .500 id hole bored perpendicular to the rifle bore. I used it as a base line to test against. It was far better than most and not as good as some. We fired hundreds if not thousands of rounds testing and measuring brake effectiveness back then. The best was one I had built on a 5 axis cnc mill where the ports could be made "cupped" toward the bore and that radius used to turn the gas rearward after capturing all it could. Hard to describe well in words but it was nice and it was expensive to make. There are some that are similar to it now for less cost that are very good, too.
Competition brings out the best in products. Port location is big too. There are some military test papers out there on this, if anyone wants to research it.
Either way, not here to argue, just point out that feeling the difference is much different than measuring it. There are differences..its just hard for your shoulder to quantify them. It has to be done on the same gun and back to back. Some people can surely feel more than others as well.
You make a good point on felt recoil on a guys shoulder, most do just that. But then you talk about competing, and the way you wrote it, I take it you are shooting a semi auto. If I'm correct, the recoil itself is minimal, and now the goal is controlling muzzle hop or flip, keeping your optic on target. A good majority of brakes designed today fall in that category, and even bolt guns benefit from it, one only needs to watch a handful of prs style stages to see brakes are used for controlling the barrel. A 6 XC isn't going to beat many full grown men up shooting 100 rds.
Edit: shooting a suppressor will reduce the recoil on most guns equivalent to a brake, but the recoil impulse from one makes the brake more efficient.
Don't forget Ross. Lots of satisfied guys here using them including me.
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/muzzle-brakes.3896616/page-4#post-37258658
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/muzzle-brakes.3896616/page-4#post-37258658
Not a fan of pinch bolts on brakes, myself. If I use those, I prefer to order it under sized, put it on the barrel and bore it on the barrel while the barrel is set up for threading. Those usually have an oversize bore for caliber so that bullet hit is not an issue. That doesn't keep muzzle pressure equal around the bullet ..and in my testing, hurt brake effectiveness due to the excess area around the bullet while in the brake.
Don't get me wrong, they do work. The design is simply not my definition of as good as it can be, regardless of port configuration, etc.
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
Yes I do agree, there is definitely a difference in brakes. Most of the ones I have been around on factory guns are not much next to the custom brakes.(example) My friend bought a Kimber with a brake, pretty much a pipe nipple with holes. Our smith built him one that is baffled ,no comparison .The Kimber brake did not come remotely close to reducing recoil.
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