Creedmoor Sports ".01gr." Scale...Strain Gage

[RegionRat]

I agree. You could even Fudge the 50 g cal so something close to your target is linear.
Has anyone seen the full Creedmore specs?
If it reads down to 0.01 grains, total accuracy might not be a "true +/-.01 grain accuracy".
Here's a review of repeatability weighing bullets.

Well, backing out of this conversation.
Just ordered the EJ-54D2 from ScalesGalore for $352.69, shipped.
Someone without check weights might want to consider the extra cost.

He may not have done the whole nine yards, but his review is good enough to give a view into the performance of the scale. It seems that he speaks the language and is well aware of what a scale calibration and characterization takes.

Sounds like he has been feeling very rough lately, hope he gets over it soon.

It would appear that this scale is doing a decent job for the money. It takes a factor more money to get a scale that will give a wide range and deliver high accuracy (low uncertainty) at the same time. This one even seems to handle zero drift pretty well, at least for typical household indoor conditions.

 

[BigWyoming]

do you shoot long range benchrest..1000 yards ??
if not you may never know,
but those of us that actually compete in group and score at 1k KNOW what works.
accurate powder measurement is just one part of the puzzle.

Was it hard to type that looking down your nose and all?

 

[6bra1k]

Was it hard to type that looking down your nose and all?

he asked a question... I ANSWERED BASED ON ACTUAL USE
its not looking down a nose...its the difference IN WHAT ONE SHOOTS

 

[BigWyoming]

Has anyone ever proved that weighing powder to this level makes a difference on paper or in the numbers? I've weighed to this level but never saw a difference. Perhaps I missed something

In general terms you might see a .5" difference at 600 in POI with .1 grain variance. That's assuming your could isolate that variable. At 1K maybe 2" - which could be enough to cost someone.

Remember, that's just a generality, which is frowned upon around here. It will change with powder/cartridge etc...

 

[BigWyoming]

he asked a question... I ANSWERED BASED ON ACTUAL USE
its not looking down a nose...its the difference IN WHAT ONE SHOOTS

Lotta shouting... or, I mean LOTTA SHOUTING.

 

[TIMO]

Following,
Is there a decent written warranty, since most electronics are not well covered. Most seem to be 1 year then you are on your own if it quits.

Thanks,
Tim

 

[varget204]

Following,
Is there a decent written warranty, since most electronics are not well covered. Most seem to be 1 year then you are on your own if it quits.

Thanks,
Tim

Believe the warranty is 1 Year only

 

[TIMO]

Believe the warranty is 1 Year only

Thanks, I appreciate the info.
I will check Creedmoor Sports web page to see if they have any additional product warrantee beyond the manufacturer.
Tim

 

[Rick300]

In general terms you might see a .5" difference at 600 in POI with .1 grain variance.

I got beat at 600 yesterday by .08" and the top 3 groups were within .18" so yes, .5" definitely makes a big difference.

 

[VA_XTC_Shooter]

I got beat at 600 yesterday by .08" and the top 3 groups were within .18" so yes, .5" definitely makes a big difference.

Are you saying your coarse powder measurements cost you the match?

 

[Rick300]

Are you saying your coarse powder measurements cost you the match?

No, I weigh to .02 grain with the FX120. I was trying to say that little things do matter, especially the farther out you go. At 1000 you better have everything as perfect as you can get it. And then there's that that pesky wind thing....

 

[dkhunt14]

Has anyone ever proved that weighing powder to this level makes a difference on paper or in the numbers? I've weighed to this level but never saw a difference. Perhaps I missed something

I think it depends on how big the node is for your rifle. Some have big nodes and some dont. Also, I don't believe it shows much under 400 to 500 yards. I have had guns, that at a 1000 yards, it showed and I have had guns, where it didn't show much. Matt

 

[F Class John]

I haven’t had a whole lot of time to play with it just because of getting ready for Southwest nationals but I will tell you I have had this thing on for almost a week now (with the pan) and it hasn’t moved. It may go up or down .01 or maybe .02 because it’s in my garage and the humidity and temperature fluctuate quite a bit but over the long haul the thing is dead on. I did the same thing with a weight on it and got almost the same results.

 

[JimSC]

I am sure it would work fine for 99.9 percent of us

edited to remove snarkiness

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I’m sure it’s a nice scale, but isn’t it cost getting closer to to just upgrading to the A&D FX 120-I?

 

[6bra1k]

I am sure it would work fine for 99.9 percent of us

edited to remove snarkiness

i think the 99.99 is way out of place
there is an entire forum for COMPETITION SHOOTERS.
I THINK THE real answer is between 80 and 90% .

 

[JimSC]

i think the 99.99 is way out of place
there is an entire forum for COMPETITION SHOOTERS.
I THINK THE real answer is between 80 and 90% .

I think most competition shooters know how to develop a load so that being off by .1 gns in either direction has a minimal or null effect on the FPS and .01 gns would have no effect on bullet POI. But then being a normal mortal I can't keep my point of aim or read wind effects within .1 inches at 600 yards either like some seem to believe they can

 

[6bra1k]

I think most competition shooters know how to develop a load so that being off by .1 gns in either direction has a minimal or null effect on the FPS and .01 gns would have no effect on bullet POI. But then being a normal mortal I can't keep my point of aim or read wind effects within .1 inches at 600 yards either like some seem to believe they can

i hate to break the news..its been proven by long range BENCH REST SHOOTERS. ITS WHY WE DO IT. did you look at lou m's set up for the f class nationals ?? there is more to the world than f class. and even some f class understand the details matter...some clearly do not.

 

[Rocketvapor]

I have no hopes of being a world class 1000 yd bench rest shooter, so why would I worry about super charge weight accuracy?
If I did, I would just wait for a V9 that auto trickles and seats bullets, hands free.
This thread is really about this scale, not about whether you need it or not.
The options appear to be either upgrading to a V4, or a a tuned beam
There are so many that complain about digital scales drifting often attributed to electrical and static.
(search forum for static). Thumbtacks in your bare feet might help ( ouch). Power conditioners, antistatic mats, and Faraday shields, drive up costs. This scale is no where near the price of a great scale. Just a good one. I did pick a different brand, about the same cost but the 4th digit helps with weighing things other than for just reloading.

Creedmoor didn't go off the deep end with resolution, just maybe a nice stable scale accurate enough to not matter to MANY shooters. I see it in the Good Enough category reading to 0.01 grain. Good enough that error properly using it would be close to insignificant. I dont see how you could miss by more than a few counts.
The grain native mode is nice for those math challenged that don't understand units of measurement and use a milligram scale in grain mode even though a milligram is a little less than 0.02 grains which seems to be good enough for a lot of shooters.

 

[kiwijohn]

@6bra1k I thought that remaining calm and not shouting were signs of a GOOD bench rest shooter. How did all these shooters get on when we only had .1 resolution with a beam scale.