CPS’s are back in stock!

[bcarico]

Im not going to argue that since i use a 21st mostly, but youll be surprised how much feel you get from a cps as solid as it is. Im not going to say just yet if its the same until i use it some more but i can feel scratches from my uniformer tool in the sides of the pocket

I guess what I am saying is yeah it looks cool, and I like cool shit. But come on man 600$ I can buy 5 21 century priming tools for that.

also to Orkan the comment earlier “it’s the best there is, all other priming tools suck really bad” the proof is in the pudding so to speak, show me the proof.

 

[orkan]

I guess what I am saying is yeah it looks cool, and I like cool shit. But come on man 600$ I can buy 5 21 century priming tools for that.

also to Orkan the comment earlier “it’s the best there is, all other priming tools suck really bad” the proof is in the pudding so to speak, show me the proof.

What proof would you accept?

 

[bcarico]

What proof would you accept?

Lol any.... I mean it looks nice but tell me how it is $500 better than a 21st Century, K&M, or Sinclair. Looks and anodizing don’t make groups shrink.

 

[orkan]

Lol any.... I mean it looks nice but tell me how it is $500 better than a 21st Century, K&M, or Sinclair. Looks and anodizing don’t make groups shrink.

What quantifiable aspect are you seeking proof of? The entire thread is filled with easily verifiable specifics of operation that describe in what ways the CPS is superior... so if none of that is allowed to enter your brain, what is? From who?

 

[bcarico]

What quantifiable aspect are you seeking proof of? The entire thread is filled with easily verifiable specifics of operation that describe in what ways the CPS is superior... so if none of that is allowed to enter your brain, what is? From who?

I see no expense spared stated, so it cost a bunch to produce in turn it cost the end user a bunch to own. I also see a lot of ego stroking. Solid findings saying it does a process better to live up to stating it’s the best primer seater ever I do not see.
I am a competitor that buys top notch equipment that should be your target demographic. Honestly I would love to know what your tool does better that makes all the other tools “suck really bad”

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Lol any.... I mean it looks nice but tell me how it is $500 better than a 21st Century, K&M, or Sinclair. Looks and anodizing don’t make groups shrink.

I can tell you this- it doesnt do anything better. It does good but it wont give you any advantages. I like nice solid equipment and this piece fits that bill- just like the 21st does. This priming tool works very well and is fast. Its just another top tier piece you can add to your collection

 

[Ccrider]

I have had the CPS Lite for some time. It is faster than the 21st Century and as accurate in seating primers. You can feel the amount of seating pressure with it allowing you to weed out brass with oddball primer pockets. I use those pieces for sighters.
I would use the CPS lite more if I had it set up on a dedicated press. Once I get caught up I will set it up on a T7 and leave it there.

 

[orkan]

I can tell you this- it doesnt do anything better. It does good but it wont give you any advantages. I like nice solid equipment and this piece fits that bill- just like the 21st does. This priming tool works very well and is fast. Its just another top tier piece you can add to your collection

This is the first report like this I’ve ever had from a customer. I guess it was bound to happen. If you’d like a refund, just let me know and we’ll get it in process.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

This is the first report like this I’ve ever had from a customer. I guess it was bound to happen. If you’d like a refund, just let me know and we’ll get it in process.

Never said i didnt like it. I think everybody should own one.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I think you took that all wrong- what i was saying is its a very nice tool that ill keep using for sure. It primes cases as good as the best and does it faster. If your priming method leaves something to be desired it will definitely improve your scores. Either way its a good tool to own if youre like me and have to have the nicest tools available. Itll last a lifetime and look good doing it

 

[danny]

Gotta disagree with you Dusty, there is a limit. Unless, nobody wins without one. I am sure it is a well made tool, sure looks nice, but next someone will have a 450.00 trigger shoe for greater accuracy .

Does anyone remember when Slicker was selling the Our Gang "Invisible Rays" to feed their robot?

Danny

 

[Matt in Virginia]

FWIW & IMO,
I see a clear place where the design of the CPS could be improved. Further this is not a new nit to pick...

1. The lack of a primer shield.

If you are looking for an example take a look at a Dillon 550,650,750, etc. That black tube located to the top front right.

Similar to the Dillon Tube/Shield below...


A simple tube that directs a primer detonation up and away from the user's face, eyes, etc. I've never had it happen, however, I have seen it after the fact. Where? The Nosler Ballistic Lab years ago. They load accuracy test batches, or they did, on Dillon 550s. One thing to note were the large black powder stains on the ceiling over the presses. The tube is dead simple. Largely only an issue if Murphy calls...

Mike Dillon thought enough of the problem to include it in the design of an entire press that costs less than the CPS.

2. I talked to Orkan a few years back, when I was considering a CPS. When I asked him about the lack of a primer shield, he said you were supposed to "only load 10 primers at a time". Ten primers at a time on a device intended to speed up bulk priming? WEAK answer.

Why not correct this with the new batch?

FWIW & IMO, Matt.

 

[orkan]

A CPS is not a Dillon progressive press. We have intentionally not provided an "automatic" shuttle feature for that reason.

Secondarily, any customer that wants me to provide a metal tube to put around the primer tube, can call me any time and arrange it.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

When a detonation occurs does the steel tube get damaged?

 

[Jdne5b]

When a detonation occurs does the steel tube get damaged?

I've had two detonations in a 1050. Both times only the primer being crushed detonated (from a ringer in 9mm). Not the full stack. A lot of the ones posted online show the aluminum tube blown out but no pic of the steel. Follower rods get stuck in the ceiling some times. Keep it clean, and using good known quality brass and the chances of a full stack going off are minimal. I would say even less so with the CPS. Wearing eye pro is always a good idea.

 

[orkan]

When a detonation occurs does the steel tube get damaged?

The dillon kabooms I've seen pictures of, didn't indicated damaged blast tubes.

The key difference between a CPS and a progressive press, is the shear force applied without the users ability to necessarily feel it happening. It's not super hard to apply enough force to crush a primer with a 2ft steel handle on a progressive loader. As that handle is moving, a lot of other things are moving, so you can't really feel much. From my understanding, its possible for some primers to get sheared off as they fall from the tube crooked, and due to the primer being crushed right there beneath all the rest, it sets the stack off. That's at least my understanding of how those incidents happen.

With a CPS, the primer is moved by hand, which is near effortless, so if something is not right, it can be felt immediately... and even if a user isn't very attentive, it would be really hard to apply enough force to the shuttle system with your fingers to crush a primer in that position. It would indicate wild negligence in operation. After the primer moves into the shuttle and the shuttle is moved forward, it is completely encapsulated and segregated from the rest of the primers in the tube. Once in forward position, the primer is then lifted up and even further away and more segregated from the primers in the tube, before seating begins taking place. The shuttle in the forward position, further blocks the pathway to the rest of the primers.

The primer tubes must be cleaned regularly to ensure no unsafe buildup of material occurs, just as with all primer tubes.

The RCBS bench priming system is a good comparison. Fully exposed tube, that flops around a bunch no less. The CPS handling of primers is quite gentle in comparison. We have commercial ammo manufacturers running these tools in shifts, around the clock, and they rave about how safe and efficient their people feel when running them compared to other systems they ran previously.

Though as I said, if a user would like a metal tube around the primer tube to help calm any fears... one can be provided.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Yea they are seperated pretty good on the cps. Good design

 

[Matt in Virginia]

A CPS is not a Dillon progressive press. We have intentionally not provided an "automatic" shuttle feature for that reason.

Secondarily, any customer that wants me to provide a metal tube to put around the primer tube, can call me any time and arrange it.

Right... Are we still going with the 10 primers at a time line?

Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia

 

[orkan]

Right... Are we still going with the 10 primers at a time line?

Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia

Well, I've had my fill of the hostile and disrespectful nature of people on this site. I simply am too passionate about our products to endure the constant accusatory tone some posters insist on presenting me with. It makes it impossible for me to really enjoy discussions here as I'd so much like to do. This isn't a hobby or "just business" for me. I take it personally, and its obvious to me this isn't a place where my good intentions and desire to be helpful will be respected in any way. Detractors whether intentional or not seem to really enjoy throwing rocks to see how I'll react. I don't enjoy it at all. Maybe after a good long absence again, I can once again build up a bit of a tolerance and participate without these unpleasant posts affecting my attitude. I do miss the sincere and genuine conversation with level headed people that once could be found on some websites. While I may not have always been level-headed myself, it's a shortcoming I've remedied, and I find my tolerance for attacks, no matter how nuanced, has reached its limit. If being witty and clever is more important than discovering whether I want to help resolve your issue, perceived or real, so be it. I'll be refraining from participation for a good long while.

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[Ccrider]

After the primer moves into the shuttle and the shuttle is moved forward, it is completely encapsulated and segregated from the rest of the primers in the tube. Once in forward position, the primer is then lifted up and even further away and more segregated from the primers in the tube, before seating begins taking place. The shuttle in the forward position, further blocks the pathway to the rest of the primers.

This sums it up. Hard to see how you could set off the tube while seating because it is separated from the tube and blocked from it too.
Also, as stated, you know by feel immediately if the primer is not lined up right or there is a problem with the case pocket. It takes less force to seat the primer than the 21st Century. Anyone that compressed a primer would either be doing so on purpose to see what happened or severely inebriated.

The cover tube is a solution for a problem that does not exist.