? considering new rig pd, 400-750 yd

[Dan Hall]

You have the right idea in the 6mms. A 6 mm Remington A.I. using 87 grain V-Max's is the ticket. The 6mm Remington gives you a longer neck than the .243 and it helps extend your throat life. Even though both the .243, and to a lesser extent, the 6mm Remington are tough on throats.

 

[4xforfun]

I love my dasher for comp, but prefer my 6-47L for hunting. 105/108's at 3100+ and can fit long bullets in the lands and still fit the mag on a rem SA. I regularaly bang steel out into the four digit ranges.

 

[Webster]

ok fellows, here is the ? I have had 22-250, 222 221 22lr and loved them out to 45/500 on the 22-250 13 twist,

now I have a 222m, shoots great and good velocity with 50gr bk for 400/450 max, in my opinion,

so what would you build to go to beyond 400 to 750 for pd - open question, I have brain traveled to 22-250ai faster twist, 6mm ai, 257 ai, etc. for grins -- your thoughts single feed not mag feed I am not in a rush too old for that

thanks in advance

Bob

I would go with the 6 dasher or 6 BRX. Sure there are barrel burners that shot a little flatter but I would go with the great accuracy and barrel life. You could probably burn 243 AI barrel out in two days of PD hunting. If your shooting those distances you need a range finder good to 800 yards or else your wasting ammo. I don't shoot those distances but I have a range finder, a good drop chart and a scope with an external micrometer head. Range the varmint, look at the drop chart and put the clicks in the scope. You should be dead on. The hard part is you have to estimate the wind.

 

[SEB-USA]

Dasher, 6XC, 6 Creed,6x47 Lapua, 6mm Long Dasher, 6mm-284, 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5 Creed, and 6.5-284.
Some of these have shorter throat lives, but hey, we are having fun here, right?

 

[GrocMax]

Unless you enjoy watching a hole get poked in the gut, and entrails get hung up on a cacti and watching the PD run 10 ft then get jerked back like a dog on a leash, or other similar actions, avoid target/VLD long range type bullets and mid-long range shots. Std 6BR and normal varmint bullets will achieve what you want with definitive terminal performance with only the occasional medieval kill.

 

[SEB-USA]

A-Max's work really good

 

[boltfluter]

Hard to beat the 87 V-max in a Dasher. Great combo for explosiveness and accuracy. Sounds like great fun to me.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com

 

[DMC]

Bob
My fave would be
1: 6BR - easy no case forming
2: 6 Dasher - I will always have one
3: 6x47 - Easy to form, will get you out there to were you want to go
4: 6mm AI - I've always wanted one

 

[Phil]

Hard to beat the 87 V-max in a Dasher. Great combo for explosiveness and accuracy. Sounds like great fun to me.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com

This^^^^^

 

[SEB-USA]

You guys got my curiosity up.
What is the furthest distance you guys have had consistent success with the 87 V-Max from the Dasher?

 

[boltfluter]

Longest shot to date was 742 yds on a 4lb rockchuck. All but blown in half. Explosive expansion for such a small chuck.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com

 

[LarryDScott]

For 0-500 yds = 20Tactical
500- 1K 6BR or Dasher
1K and Greater = 6.5-284

 

[sundance]

Dan Hall had the same idea Richard Franklin use to use (maybe he still does?) in Varmint Hunter mag. 75 vmax and 87 vmax were his favorite chuck pills.Google 6mm ackley and read his article. I have always had a 6 ackley.Not for 700 yard shots as I can drive up to 350 yards if they haven't been shot too much.Shooting out in eastern Colorado near Kansas the wind can blow pretty hard. The closer the better is my motto.
I bought a Bat B 6br on this site a few years back and made it in to a 6 ackley. 70 grain Sierra BTHP moly coated in a 28 inch Bartlein 1 in 8 twist .
54 grains of Win 785 gives me 3730 fps .R-P cases Fed std primer. Kills them dead!

 

[AckleymanII]

You have the right idea in the 6mms. A 6 mm Remington A.I. using 87 grain V-Max's is the ticket. The 6mm Remington gives you a longer neck than the .243 and it helps extend your throat life. Even though both the .243, and to a lesser extent, the 6mm Remington are tough on throats.

Pard and I have shot dogs in S. Dakota for many years, started in the late 70's. Our guns were 6 BR, then 243 AI, 12 twists on all.
With over a dozen 243 AI's under our belt, I can tell you the following loads have worked so well it is hard to imagine the accuracy with speed, and we shot Hart 12 twists, 243 AI, turn neck, with zero freebore 28" length-29" we liked the untured blanks in Weighted McMillen BR stocks, rigs weighed 26-28 lbs and with a muzzle break, they kicked very, very little. You saw your hit on every shot.

Fire form: Rem 7/08 Brass, 47-47.5g of Win 760, CCI250, 70g Nosler, TNT, or Blitz king at 3700-3750

Formed Rem brass: 48-48.5g of Win 760, CCI 250, 70g, 3800-3850

Max load is 50.5g of Win 760, with the lot# of powder that we had and add a Win mag primer for 4030 fps, tiny bug holes for groups from 47.5-50.5g. Pard settled on a lot of 48.0g and I settled on 48.5g, and I never used a full length sizer with this combo.

Now, for a walk on the wild side, go with a 14Twist, 6 Rem AI, with zero freebore, 50.5g of Win 760 with a 70g Nosler in Rem brass at 4000 fps, and 41.5g in a formed load got us to 4100, bug hole groups. Every barrel is different, so please work up to these loads.

Today, I would carry a 6 BR, 6 XC, and 243 AI.

For a chuck rifle, the 6 AI with a 14Twist with the 70g Blitz kings would be my first choice in a zero freebore chamber. 70g Blitz king is more explosive than the 75g V max and the Blitz king is put on a Match grade jacket...worth the few extra pennies.

 

[waterfwlr]

I use those 87 vmax in my straight 6BR 12 twist for pd's at 3250 fps. Just nasty. Perfect blend of explosiveness and bc. Anything bigger doesn't explode enough, anything smaller doesn't have enough bc for that western wind.

 

[DogBuster]

you don't need a 48+ gr charge in a 6mm to kill a p/dog........6BR..6XC..modest 30-38 gr charge

barrel heat....recoil...muzzle blast suck........big time..even in a 16# gun

20's are where its at.......20 Practical & 40 V max out to 800 yds

20 VT & 20-222 out to 600.....

 

[stretch257]

I have a hard time Shooting anything besides 22 Cal as a main gun because it has the cheapest components. I shot out a 243 with 87 vmax and n560. I was able to get 3450. It had a great splat factor. I wanted more barrel life and I am using old target barrels in 6br with 87 vmax.

 

[bheadboy]

ok, got the say all you have given me pause for thought
I just spent some time with drop and wind drift charts at various velocities and bullet weights, calibers, and have come down to 6mm bullets 70-85 gr, with the 70s at the slightly higher velocity winning out.

I am too crotchety to try a lot of case forming, (AI no problem) and the wind where I go in WY is a bugger, so it sort of settles down to the 6mmrem AI and 70 blitzking with 26 inch bbl and proper twist looking for 3600+/- for accuracy node. I will use a Rem 700SA trued and high-tech stock trying to keep it under 12-14lb as I have to carry the thing. most likely get the Harts to build it for me, old habits, and friends

Thanks
Bob

 

[JRS]

257 Weatherby, 250 Ackley, or 257 Ackley.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

22-284 and those long, lovely Berger 90gr bullets about 3800fps. I am lucky enough to live within two hours of hundreds of square miles of prime Rockchuck and ground squirrel county here in SW Idaho. We talk about barrel life, but if you make one trip over 500 miles one way, you probably spent more on the trip than a new barrel.