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Concetricity

I know this topic has been beaten to death but i haven't seen this question answered.

I have several different types of concetricity gauges. Basicly they either index off the bullet tip like my forster case inspector or the hornady. Ot they index off the case like my 21st century. They both give very different readings off of the same loaded rounds. Seems strange to me.

Can someone explain it? Which is the more correct?
I think if you expect any kind of accuracy, you need to pay attention to all the small details. It may not help but it can't hurt. I measure runout using a Sinclair gauge. In the picture is a 208 grain Hornady A-Max (a .308 round). I measure 1/2 way out to the tip. My better rounds have .001" total runout or less. I also keep anything .002" but over that gets pulled or used for fouling shots.
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As far as sizing the cases, my rifle is cheap and has a lot of neck clearance. I set the shoulders back no more than .001" and figure they center there in the front. I had a Forster full length benchrest die modified and this is how close the resized cases are to a fired one (and compared to a Lee die). The only micrometer I have has flat surfaces so I center it over the edges on the case the best I can. I know it reads off the largest diameter. I do use a sizing ball which leaves a .002" interference fit. The ball floats and does not add any runout.
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I use a Redding Competition seating die with a micrometer dial. I seat the depth based on measuring the headspace in the chamber and using a Hornady bullet comparator on a dial caliper, not from the tip, and try to keep them to within .001". It would be better if the tool insert matched the actual chamber contour.
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This explaines it well.
Never thought of that. I've tried the bending and it does reduce neck tension. Sometimes I've pulled the bullet and resized the case and got rid of most of the runout. That may work unless the case in not straight. I recently bought 50 new Hornady .308 cases. I always resize and neck turn to .0125" wall thickness before loading. These had between .005" and .010" runout. Most of this could be seen measuring midway on just the necks. I had to anneal them, the I ran the K&M neck tool over them again and noticed the necks were untouched until about .060" to .100" above the shoulders. From there, the tool cut about half way around and didn't tough the other side showing the necks were offset. After this mose were now .002"-.003" and a few no more than .004". I did notice on the few I fired that the soot ring on the neck was only on one side, perfectly clean on the other. After firing and resizing, the brass was normal again and showed much less runout.
 
Also, if the coned breach is the end all answer to case alignment in the chamber why do most SR BR competition shooters net better accuracy with turned necks?
I'm lost. How does a coned breach connect to concentricity or alignment of anything?
 
That's what I thought, and I don't connect it with better feeding either.
Feeding should be handled by the correct ramp height.
I see coning as providing more breach/case web support.
 
That's what I thought, and I don't connect it with better feeding either.
Feeding should be handled by the correct ramp height.
I see coning as providing more breach/case web support.
Your thinking of a magazine. No coned bolts are only used in single feed rifles. They do not have magazines.
 
Your thinking of a magazine. No coned bolts are only used in single feed rifles. They do not have magazines.
I mean't single shot action. I don't know the term for the loading tray as machined into an action.
For example, a BAT SV is a .473 case action. If I were to change the bolt and hang a 223rem chamber on it, I can picture feed misalignment that may be tolerable, but would in no way be relieved by the coned breach. IMO, by the time misalignment is so bad that you're actually relying on a breach angle to cover, you're running with a pretty bad plan.
Anyway, this is hijacking. I'm out
 

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