CNC rem 700 actions quality?

[centershot]

I have always been a 700 fan. What I have heard of the RR actions lately is what made me buy Savage. There is a lot of junk on them also, but you can buy the entire rifle for $329. Sell the barrel and get a Shilen chambered drop in, and a Boyd's Stock. Did my last one without a barrel nut and a Krieger barrel.

 

[Dans40X]

A Remington going back to the predecessor(s) 722/721/725/600/660/XP-100/XP-100-R/Seven/40X/40XR/700 with-4,5,6,7,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,RR serial numbered receivers....
what has changed?

NOT ALL RR prefix serial numbered receivers are CNC machined in Alabama.
RR prefix serial numbered receivers machined in Ilion,NY will have dot matrix marked-Ilion,NY at 6 o'clock at the front receiver ring/action screw threaded hole.

Any & ALL Remington bolt/handles are TIMED into battery & not for PRIMARY EXTRACTION as are most Custom Clones.

Following your appraised You Tube video producer with what I've coined handle LOCATION(fwd/aft) is only ONE part of the equation & the least important IF TIMED correctly.

Einstein &/or Houdini could not Locate/Time a Rem bolt handle correctly w/o other re-work being accomplished....>FIRST.(& it can not be accomplished w/an oxy-acetylene torch)

 

[hoz53]

I have always been a 700 fan. What I have heard of the RR actions lately is what made me buy Savage. There is a lot of junk on them also, but you can buy the entire rifle for $329. Sell the barrel and get a Shilen chambered drop in, and a Boyd's Stock. Did my last one without a barrel nut and a Krieger barrel.

but ugh- why do you wanna put up with that trigger system. just think if savage made their rifles so they accepted a jewel rem might not sell many more 700s.

 

[centershot]

As some others have stated, I do not have an issue with the Accutrigger for hunting or informal bench shooting.

 

[1953greg]

NOT ALL RR prefix serial numbered receivers are CNC machined in Alabama.
RR prefix serial numbered receivers machined in Ilion,NY will have dot matrix marked-Ilion,NY at 6 o'clock at the front receiver ring/action screw threaded hole.

this one has the Ilion NY dot matrix lable
there seems to be some other mechanism for primary extraction also. kinda like the bolt is spring loaded. is that coming from the firing pin spring?

 

[hoz53]

A Remington going back to the predecessor(s) 722/721/725/600/660/XP-100/XP-100-R/Seven/40X/40XR/700 with-4,5,6,7,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,RR serial numbered receivers....
what has changed?

NOT ALL RR prefix serial numbered receivers are CNC machined in Alabama.
RR prefix serial numbered receivers machined in Ilion,NY will have dot matrix marked-Ilion,NY at 6 o'clock at the front receiver ring/action screw threaded hole.

Any & ALL Remington bolt/handles are TIMED into battery & not for PRIMARY EXTRACTION as are most Custom Clones.

Following your appraised You Tube video producer with what I've coined handle LOCATION(fwd/aft) is only ONE part of the equation & the least important IF TIMED correctly.

Einstein &/or Houdini could not Locate/Time a Rem bolt handle correctly w/o other re-work being accomplished....>FIRST.(& it can not be accomplished w/an oxy-acetylene torch)

thanks dan- ive got an rr with the dot matrix pattern and i wonderered what that was about. so this action was not cnc machined?

 

[dolek]

I have always been a 700 fan. What I have heard of the RR actions lately is what made me buy Savage. There is a lot of junk on them also, but you can buy the entire rifle for $329. Sell the barrel and get a Shilen chambered drop in, and a Boyd's Stock. Did my last one without a barrel nut and a Krieger barrel.

You nailed it... I bought a Savage the day I sent my 700 to Remington so they could replace the junk barrel . If the barrel was that bad I can only imagine what the receiver is like,RR serial by the way. Savage is a shooter right out of the box,no need to send it in the day after I bought it like the 700.

 

[Rustystud]

Very sad, Remington has been put on notice multiple time by multiple parties that they have Primary Extraction issues on "all" of their RR prefix actions. They wonder why their sales continue to drop. Why would any informed person buy a rifle that needs to be fixed in the box new. Remington corporate is their own worst enemy. The 700, 870, 1100 variants have kept them afloat. The clones be are cleaning their clock.

 

[1953greg]

has remington repaired or replaced any actions w/ primary extraction issues
or do they say receivers are within "tolerance"?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Overall the new actions are better. The surfaces I consider to be most important are truer in the new actions. As has been said most have little to no Primary camming. It is a simple and cheap fix though. I did another one today for a build. Ended up with .097" of actual reward camming with the slightly modified factory handle. Every thing as it should be open and in battery. With oxy/acy. EASY stuff guys.

 

[GenePoole]

Alex, are you using oxy-acetylene welding to build up the ramp, or repositioning and resoldering with oxy-acetylene?

 

[GenePoole]

When I do a truing job, I remove the handle as a matter of course. I put the bolt body in a 5c collet to true up the bolt lugs and that requires removing the handle. Since I have to re-solder anyway, I usually just toss the Remington handle and put on a PTG. You can time those with just a feeler gauge and get them working much better than the stock Remington.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I wouldnt say better. You telling me your getting more than .1" of cam? Not that its needed. Most barely get over .050 and thats enough to do the job. Barnards hardly even get .050" and some guys love those actions. I have a bunch of PTG handles in stock if guys want them and the end result is the same no matter what handle I use. You just have to fit them properly. Actually the PTG handles end up much higher in the open position and cause scope clearance issues on hunting rifles. I almost prefer the stock handles.

 

[Dans40X]

Re positioning the handle. You need to remove material from the end of the handle so you can rotate it slightly counter clockwise on the bolt and move it forward. After you do this you will need to pay attention that the cocking piece does not hit the edge of the cocking cam cut in the back of the bolt. If its going to just mill the side of the notch slightly to give clearance. Start to finish, 30 minutes. Another way of doing it is to remove material from the front edge of the handle which will effectively advance the cam when you move the handle forward.

I wouldnt say better. You telling me your getting more than .1" of cam? Not that its needed. Most barely get over .050 and thats enough to do the job. Barnards hardly even get .050" and some guys love those actions. I have a bunch of PTG handles in stock if guys want them and the end result is the same no matter what handle I use. You just have to fit them properly. Actually the PTG handles end up much higher in the open position and cause scope clearance issues on hunting rifles. I almost prefer the stock handles.

B.S.
It's apparent that certain "You Tube" producers standards aren't as stringent as mine!

There was 1 bolt handle that could be construed as drop on,but it has not been manufactured in several years - - any educated guesses?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

B.S.
It's apparent that certain "You Tube" producers standards aren't as stringent as mine!

There was 1 bolt handle that could be construed as drop on,but it has not been manufactured in several years - - any educated guesses?

Its elementary. Original rr handle. .097" rearward cam, proper cocking piece clearance, action in hand to verify and measure. No BS from me ever. I dont want handle jobs, I just like calling you out on your BS. I only do this work on builds, no time to offer it as a separate service. You can have ALL the handle jobs if anyones willing to send them to you after reading your posts...
What are your specs that you guarantee as far as amount of cam? Do you check this before they leave your shop? Just wondering about your "standards"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=485966558468946

 

[GenePoole]

I wouldnt say better. You telling me your getting more than .1" of cam? Not that its needed. Most barely get over .050 and thats enough to do the job. Barnards hardly even get .050" and some guys love those actions. I have a bunch of PTG handles in stock if guys want them and the end result is the same no matter what handle I use. You just have to fit them properly. Actually the PTG handles end up much higher in the open position and cause scope clearance issues on hunting rifles. I almost prefer the stock handles.

I hope you don't think I'm being an ass like Dan; I genuinely am looking to improve my game and I respect your input on this subject.

I've tried and failed to get the stock Remington handles to work. My luck with the PTG handles is much better. I do adjust the them by torch heating and bending the handle into a more Remington like configuration. From there, I adjust and clamp the handleless bolt into battery aligning the notch as straight as possible with a modified (threadless) shroud. Once clamped as described, I fit a PTG handle (as modified) to the bolt with a modified pair of vice grips. I adjust it radially to let it rest against the lower stop on the receiver then adjust it axially with a 10 thou feeler gage between the front of the handle and the receiver. With the modified vice grips, I can now unclamp the bolt body and operate the bolt as if it were one piece. Once I'm satisfied that it is all working as it should, I solder it in place. This seems to be a relatively idiot proof procedure for me. They all seem to work great compared to the way they came stock.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Nope, I didn't think you were being an ass. Looks like your doing a great job. I have talked with a lot of guys about doing this work and as long as your getting enough extraction and proper clearances your good. Actually quite a bit of variance in where exactly the handle can be and you can still end up with a good job. Thats why I dont even really like calling handle installation "timing" as timing implies precision and this is relatively un precise. .005-.010" in any direction wont have any real world effect. Ignition is timing however, because you can feel .001" cock on close.

 

[fyrewall]

I have a older M700 with a riveted extractor - are the new type extractors better?

 

[1953greg]

received this and a service ticket from remington. receiver has been returned...there is hope!!!

The RR prefix has nothing to do with the primary extraction issue. Remington was aware of it and it has been addressed and corrected through the quality meetings and additional tooling at the fixture where to bolt handle is brazed to the bolt. If his is not exhibiting a connection between the bolt and the receiver, we can bring it in for repair.

 

[butchlambert]

Dan has done many bolt handles for me, make custom ones for me and they work great. He is inexpensive, prompt,and his work is great!