CMP 1911s

[hoz53]

Anybody here apply to the CMP 1911 lotto?

 

[watercam]

I could not find a reason to pay $1100(plus shipping and fees) for a beater pistol. Historical value aside, if I dare not shoot it I don't need it.

 

[JFrank]

I could not find a reason to pay $1100(plus shipping and fees) for a beater pistol. Historical value aside, if I dare not shoot it I don't need it.

That does seem a bit steep for a pistol that will need complete overhaul prior to competition.
Historic value for me is determined by authentication of every period correct part and prominence, I would assume that the Armory has replaced multiple parts throughout the years mixing and matching.
I can walk into Sportsman Wharehouse and buy a brand new Colt NM ready to compete (sorta)
for $1280.00

 

[hoz53]

I could not find a reason to pay $1100(plus shipping and fees) for a beater pistol. Historical value aside, if I dare not shoot it I don't need it.

Yes I kind of agree with that. After I sent my packet I realized I may have made a mistake in it. If I did and they throw it away I was thinking that’s okay they’ll be saving me 1000 bucks. They have around 17000 applications so far and I think that’s quite a bit less than they expected.

 

[hoz53]

That does seem a bit steep for a pistol that will need complete overhaul prior to competition.
Historic value for me is determined by authentication of every period correct part and prominence, I would assume that the Armory has replaced multiple parts throughout the years mixing and matching.
I can walk into Sportsman Wharehouse and buy a brand new Colt NM ready to compete (sorta)
for $1280.00

So you don’t think one of these pistols would be worth more than the 1000 on the open market?

 

[Falfan2017]

I'd like to have one and I bet in 20 years I'll be kicking myself on not buying one but it's hard to pay that for a gun that was worn out 40 years ago.

 

[hoz53]

I'd like to have one and I bet in 20 years I'll be kicking myself on not buying one but it's hard to pay that for a gun that was worn out 40 years ago.

Yeah I agree— When it comes right down to it and the CMP offers someone one of these pistols I wonder how many will decide they don’t want to spend that.

 

[JFrank]

So you don’t think one of these pistols would be worth more than the 1000 on the open market?

It would depend on the sum of its parts however in my experience (probably not)
War guns that have all of the correct parts will command even more$3-4 thousand especially so if you can document the soldier it was issued to and what theater he or she served.
Anyone searching for these old guns should have read this issue prior to purchasing. It doesn't take long to look over a 1911 and realize it's a collection of miss matched parts. Finding all of the correct parts may take awhile.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Just me of course
Jim

 

[Milo 2.0]

So you don’t think one of these pistols would be worth more than the 1000 on the open market?

Let's go this route, if I had a rat looking 1911 with cmp papers, 20% bluing left, not sure what % the gray patina overrides the color, it rattled like a 71 Pinto with 400K miles on it, no beavertail grip safety because we all love to scream like little girls from trigger bite, lol, would you give me 1K for it?

I'm telling you right now, no way would I. History of the gun means nothing to me.

 

[JFrank]

If I were serious about CMP shooting, I believe Springfield arms would be a good place to start.
They actually do have a custom shop the last one I seen - Dude paid right at 2grand for it and I must say it was putting rounds in the black at 50 yards offhand.
No easy task! At least not for me..

 

[joshb]

Yes I kind of agree with that. After I sent my packet I realized I may have made a mistake in it. If I did and they throw it away I was thinking that’s okay they’ll be saving me 1000 bucks. They have around 17000 applications so far and I think that’s quite a bit less than they expected.

I feel the same way. I didn’t even get excited about it. I want shooters, not $1000 “antique collectibles “, anymore. I have a few old $4-500 antique rifles, but I shoot them every once in a while.
If the CMP isn’t getting the orders they expected, maybe they’ll drop the price!

 

[tmwinds]

They will sell for whatever someone is willing to pay. I wonder what the CMP paid for them, if anything.

 

[Westhunder]

They will sell for whatever someone is willing to pay. I wonder what the CMP paid for them, if anything.

Pennys on the dollar, this is the government we are talking about here

 

[dduck]

Do you think they have any of these?

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-M...TURING-COMPANY-1911A1/lotInformation/44248330

 

[hoz53]

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It would depend on the sum of its parts however in my experience (probably not)
War guns that have all of the correct parts will command even more$3-4 thousand especially so if you can document the soldier it was issued to and what theater he or she served.
Anyone searching for these old guns should have read this issue prior to purchasing. It doesn't take long to look over a 1911 and realize it's a collection of miss matched parts. Finding all of the correct parts may take awhile.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Just me of course
Jim

Thanks Jim— I have never in my life had a gun I bought as a collectible. They have all been shooters when I got them. But when I heard about the sale of USGI 1911s I thought it was a unique opportunity and i thought I wanted one. I’m not so sure now. Of coarse we don’t get to examine these before buying. Another thing to consider With our changing political climate who knows how many more will actually be issued for sale by the army.

 

[JFrank]

Thanks Jim— I have never in my life had a gun I bought as a collectible. They have all been shooters when I got them. But when I heard about the sale of USGI 1911s I thought it was a unique opportunity and i thought I wanted one. I’m not so sure now. Of coarse we don’t get to examine these before buying. Another thing to consider With our changing political climate who knows how many more will actually be issued for sale by the army.

Hoz
If there was a Holy Grail pistol in the pile it most likely got set aside for the Boss
FYI- rattle trap 1911 pistols shoot pretty good, slide fit doesn't matter that much. Barrel link bushing and breech lock up is more important

 

[JFrank]

After my Daughter raided my safe this is my last ( for CMP I would have to change the thumb safety to non extended)

 

[shoot4fun]

The best of the CMP 1911 pistols will go to Gunbroker with fairly hefty reserves. Only the less desirable will go to the applicants.
At best, those guns will be about like the "rack grade" rifles they have sold. Basically safe to shoot but not worth any more than being able to say you have one.

 

[hpshooter]

"If there was a Holy Grail pistol in the pile it most likely got set aside for the Boss"

Any truly collectable pieces will go at auction as CMP now does with the occasional rare M1 or M1 carbine that surfaces.
Once thing get rolling you will most likely see some higher grade pieces offered at higher prices.

The days of finding really nice US marked 1911's for $100 are long gone. How many remember the NRA/DCM 1911's offered in the 60's for $25 and military match prepped ones for $35 (IIRC). One per person, even a struggling college student with a couple part time jobs could afford one.

 

[riflewoman]

That does seem a bit steep for a pistol that will need complete overhaul prior to competition.
Historic value for me is determined by authentication of every period correct part and prominence, I would assume that the Armory has replaced multiple parts throughout the years mixing and matching.
I can walk into Sportsman Wharehouse and buy a brand new Colt NM ready to compete (sorta)
for $1280.00

The consensus on the Bullseye Forum is that the best bang for your buck is a Springfield Armory Range Officer. All it needs is a trigger job and a new fit bushing and it will take you to Master. And don’t bother with Les Baer, Wilson, or Kimber as the fitup isn’t right. They may shoot for a while, but for how long.