butchlambert
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Chuckle chuckle, i know a guy that takes aluminum and drills it out and presses rebar in it. He drills and then rifles it. I'm sure everybody knows him. Freebird Ratchethead!
Chromoly barrel vs Stainless barrel
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So when in doubt go 7.5 ,as they will reach out further . I was proof positive of that as I survey trophy's trinkets and framed checks around My reloading room
With more AA Handicap Nitro /STS hulls than any #10 men should own .I really should sell off half of MY Shot stock and lighten 1,200 lb. Next time at the range I'll post a Shot sale .
I've got perhaps 40K superlite wads along with a few 8 lb.'s of Win Superlite powder unopened ,so I'll calculate how much I can load and peddle the remainder of 7.5-8's doubtful anyone wants #6's ,5's or 4's now days . I clearly remember the day I had to load My container before the move and needed to figure where to place the pallet of shot ,so as to balance the container load . Prior to that I had to hand stack ALL of those 25 lb. bags onto a fresh pallet ,what a MPITA !!. I just made the 68K lb. scales by #582 lb. .
Buy a SS barrel and have it done in NP3 + and NEVER worry about it again .
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TiN DCL, NiB
IF we are ever able to do a PVD inside barrel coating with BAM ,it WILL revolutionize the firearm industry ; Guaranteed hands down the BEST metal treatment ever !.
For those of you who might not know what that is :
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We're currently WORKING on perfecting a method using LCVD , it's a chemical vapor deposition dispersion but doing so inside an ultra small cylinder is proving to be a nemesis !.
External applications can be done easily enough in a vacuum vapor chamber ,not inexpensive but very practical for a micro surface second in hardness only to Diamond and slicker than any other known substance .
Ionbond Diamond Like Carbon (DLC) Coating is a state-of-the-art metal finish applied through a Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) process. It is an extremely tough, corrosion proof coating, with excellent low-friction properties.
Ionbond Black DLC will not chip, crack or peel, providing you with years of reliable function and protection against wear. It is so strong that it is virtually scratch proof. It has an attractive gray graphite-like appearance.
TiN DCL, NiB
IF we are ever able to do a PVD inside barrel coating with BAM ,it WILL revolutionize the firearm industry ; Guaranteed hands down the BEST metal treatment ever !.
For those of you who might not know what that is :
What’s almost as hard as diamond, slicker than Teflon and “green” enough to reduce the United States’ industrial energy consumption by trillions of BTUs a year? The answer is BAM – a ceramic alloy created by combining a mix of boron, aluminum and magnesium with titanium diboride. The world’s third hardest material, next to diamond and cubic boron nitride, BAM is as slippery as it is strong. With a 0.02 coefficient of friction, it is substantially slicker than Teflon (0.05) and lubricated steel (0.16). Discovered accidentally in 1999 by two researchers at DOE’s Ames Laboratory, BAM has now grown into the nanocoating superstar of a four-year, $3-million project designed to lower industrial energy usage by reducing machine friction.
We're currently WORKING on perfecting a method using LCVD , it's a chemical vapor deposition dispersion but doing so inside an ultra small cylinder is proving to be a nemesis !.
External applications can be done easily enough in a vacuum vapor chamber ,not inexpensive but very practical for a micro surface second in hardness only to Diamond and slicker than any other known substance .
Edd
Gold $$ Contributor
Where can I get rifle parts plated with NP3+?
Really butch? Ya might try one of those exotic high strength BAMBOONIUM alloy barrels from Asia further stiffened by seven layers of laminated rice paper;-)
butchlambert
Site $$ Sponsor
Young feller, Freebird is actually working on it at this time. He said the critical part is the amount of layers of the rice paper. Said once he gets it figured out it may be better than the aluminum rebar setup.
https://coatingtechnologiesllc.com/ Phoenix , AZ.
rijndael
Silver $$ Contributor
I have two custom varmint rifles, I get about 2,500 rounds out of a barrel. I'm running 63,000 to 65,000 PSI so I deserve what I get. With that said it's shooting chucks and crows so it's years between barrels.
The same can be said for my two custom built heavy game rifles. I'm running 64,000 PSI but after working the loads I fire maybe 5 to 10 rounds a year, all slow fire. Barrel life has been 3 decades in one and a decade on the other.
I have multiple medium and heavy game rifles that are multiple decades old and some near and over a century old, that still shoot well.
I have 4 autoloader rifles I load for and regularly shoot in rapid as well as slow fire. Two of my auto loaders are near 80 years old with thousands of rounds them. I know each rifle has at least 5,000 rounds. I never exceed designed pressures.
I have a 40 year old A2 in 5.56 NATO that has thousands of rounds through it. From the day I got it new until last weekend in Delta configuration at 300 yards with 69 grain Hornady match it shoots 1 1/2, 1 3/4, to 2"at 300 yards. I keep all loads to early 5.56 NATO specs. With light projectiles I have to seat them way out making the rifle a single shot.
I have a new 6MM ARC in an AR 15, scope mounted it shoots 1/2" at 100 yards with factory Hornady ammo. By design I ,use stay to 52,000 PSI. I expect I'll get thousands of rounds and years of life from the barrel and bolt. IF I PLAY BY THE RULES!
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All metal parts that wear (metal to metal) will benefit from Cryo. Barrels (any type metal), Receivers, Choke tubes, Trigger assemblies, Guide rails, Hammers, Extractor, Bolt carrier group, trunnion, Recoil springs & guidebolts. Cryogenics enhances your weapon in the following ways:- Relieves residual stresses
- Promotes a more uniform micro-structure to the action and bore
- Precipitates eta-carbides in steels for increased resistance to wear reducing throat wear
Cryo treated metals have the following benefits immediately:
- Longer life due to reduced wear from throat/chamber erosion and corrosion
- Less failures due to cracking that result from the propagation of stress lines
- Reduced coefficient of friction on polished metalsImproved thermal properties
Cryo treating reduces throat wear due to high-pressure and temperature of high-performance calibers and high corrosive wear properties in chemicals found in cleaning agents for gun cleaning and maintenance. Stress relief in metals, reduces metal fatigue and distortions induced by design, forming, machining or environments.
Benefits of cryogenic treatment of your gun barrel:
Increased wear resistance for easier cleaning, reduce friction, heat, and reduced throat wear for an improved barrel life is what to expect from us. Improved shot groups resulting in improved accuracy and tuned barrels to the intended load and projectiles you intend to shoot.
Increased velocity of about 60 to 120+ feet per second are common and proven over a non-cryogenically treated barrel of the same caliber and twist. Our barrels really are that much better and there is a reason why.
NOTE: Every gun barrel produced today is bored and machined which causes stress in the microstructure of the metal. Guns are created from forgings and castings that cool at different rates, inducing residual stress. Your gun may shoot well, but it is not shooting to its potential without our proprietary double-slugging moly disulfide during cryo-treatment.
If you cryogenically treat your gun barrel, you will see several immediate results. When fired, a gun barrel heats up and distorts or warps every time you pull the trigger. This results in lost accuracy. Once a gun barrel is cryogenically treated, you will see improved shot groupings. This improvement will last the life of the gun as cryogenic treatment is a one-time permanent process and at $90 + shipping the best value you can put into your firearms... many times we find that simple adjstments with optics, optic mounting systems and Cryogenics is all that your rifle may need to shoot well as a sub-MOA performer. If this is the case, that is all you are into it is at best $90 to $500 for our basic tune and accurize and you have rifle that will be as good as you can be.
Several shotgun manufacturers, including Benelli have incorporated cryogenic treatment in their manufacturing processes. They found accuracy improved after cryogenic treatment by a wide margin over those barrels that did not have this process performed
liquid nitrogen goes down too about minus 500 I can remember the exact hours but its like down for twelve and bring it back up then down again over about 48 hours.
rijndael
Silver $$ Contributor
I'm going to ignore your velocity claim, because I think it's BS. Who is "Our"? You're a barrel manufacturer?
Or, is this an artifact of copy & paste, without attribution? I only looked up part of what you "wrote", but this:
Was lifted from here:
https://www.nitrofreeze.com/services/conventional-cryogenic-treatment/firearms-gun-barrels/
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rijndael
Silver $$ Contributor
I'd like to quote a few things here too, but I'm going to show you my source:
DSIAC is a Department of Defense Information Analysis Center
In that same document, Lilja offered this excerpt:
DSIAC is a Department of Defense Information Analysis Center
In that same document, Lilja offered this excerpt:
If someone wants to freeze their barrel have at it. If you don't want to freeze your barrel don't.
This is America enjoy!
This is America enjoy!
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Folks that cryo treat barrels really love it.
This is America, be safe do as you please. I do things people think are awful, for example, I lightly grease M1 Garands and use moly lube on exposed parts to reduce picking up dirt.
I use moly lube on my M1 Carbines and in my opinion it really reduces powder dirt, slide drag and improves cold weather performance. I do the same on my AR 15's, for decades I've done this on my A2.
I moly coat bulletts and the bores of my high velocity varmint rigs. I think it improves the length of my shot strings before I need to clean. It also forced me, to rethink lubrication, with moly when you think you have enough, you most likely already have 5 times too much.
Ok, maybe I'm crazy but the earth is round, Marylin Monroe was hot as shit and I have no intention of cutting my Johnson off!
Look, Squirrel!! I said I was a fan of it, your the one that seems to be on a mission to convince everyone how bad it is, you have a hard on for it for some reason, Cryo break your heart, did it?
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