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Chromoly barrel vs Stainless barrel

Been a machinist for 35 years, I chamber my own barrels from drilled and rifled blanks from reputable companies who order barrel blanks by the ton to a composition of tested alloy formula. Just as in the nuclear industry, the computer industry, or DOD... the alloy of the metal is critical, and engineering has perfected it for its intended purpose, and it sample inspected and scrutinized.
It's ordered with a purchase order and the alloy meets specs. I do not choose, as I lack the expertise in metallurgical science to do so and the equipment to test.
Iike most everyone I've shot both CM and SS barrels from cut, hammer forged, button rifled, factory, to custom rifled, even military machinegun steel, and crome lined. Only a few observations...if it shoots it's a good barrel regardlessof material or how it's made. The chrome lined and MG steel seem to hold up to abuse well, but their accuracy hasn't been there for me, and I don't shoot target rifle to the speed of an autoloader... usually.
I rebarrel all the old factory barrels on my actions, with SS barrels from dominant barrel makers. Cause SS works for me. I don't do any barrel break in proceedure any more, too old and waste of my time. I believe George of GA Precision said minimal or no break-in requirements on his barrels depending on the barrel...when asked.
I shot 308 a lot years ago and change barrels every 8000 rds, they were still fairly accurate, but firecracking was pretty heavy past the throat, and I kept shooting until the heat waves distorted the vision too much to see the target. Smell the steel when its hot, but your hitting the target i can't see making my own barrels, there would be a learning curve, lots of tool to grind. A gun drill for deep holes, would be nice. Burnishing buttons, rifling buttons for every caliber. Push or pull button rifling machine...Or build a single point rifling machine.
Then I could pick my own 416 SS or PH 17-4. No thanks, unless it's a survival gun, then by all means drill your barrel with aircraft drills, and make your rifling buttons .0015 oversize with the correct angle of 5' 30" for your home made 10 twist 308 win survival barrel...but don't expect it to complete with the best match barrels. JMO.
 
K&P in the black hills has a nice explanation of the CS he uses and why, he will make them in SS also, I also have a place in my heart for cryogenics, $90 it's more then worth it, BAWS in LA.
 
Where's the resident metallurgist ??. SS in particular Type 416 is going to go 2-3 :1 over CM in throat erosion .
Ever try cutting SS with an Oxy /Acyl torch or drilling and tapping heat treated SS . Hoodoo post is correct .

As for accuracy ,I'd hate to have to live on the differences of either choice but longevity hands down SS .
 
Who is the gunsmith that makes his own barrels and chooses his own alloy?
I think the whole discussion of how long a .308 barrel lasts revolves around several variables: powder choice, how fast you put rounds down the barrel and what discipline you shoot...i.e. the degree of accuracy required. You may get 2500-3000 rounds in some tactical games but IMO not in something like score benchrest. JMO.
 
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I think the whole discussion of how long a .308 barrel lasts revolves around several variables: powder choice, how fast you put rounds down the barrel and what discipline you shoot...i.e. the degree of accuracy required. You may get 2500-3000 rounds in some tactical games but IMO not in something like score benchrest. JMO.

I've got a couple of OLD War Horses ,as in 7.62x63 aka 30/06 Garand's . Seriously doubt they were ever sub 2 MOA , Yet with handloads they stay within 3" @ 200 yd. using IRON sights no less .

Next week as I've loaded some sweet fodder , I'm breaking out an OLD 1943 Vintage BRAND NEW unfired Springfield M1 Garand . It was Given too Me by My Sargent,shortly after returning from VN .
Story goes he was stationed at an Armory and discovered a half dozen UN ISSUED units and some how was able to purchase those rifles . So I was the benefactor of a premium cosmoline unit for $1.00 , so a sales receipt could legally be issued with serial numbers .

I've had that Rifle over #50 years and it's NEVER been fired !!!.


Barrels can last a lifetime depending upon how often ,what type of ammo one uses and how fast you race them .
 
Ferrari and several other high end MFG's do it and when you fly is a commercial passenger jet, there are a whole lot of cyro'ed parts in an engine, $90? 19 years ago I drank more then that in one day. do some reading it also machines better.

Other than being made of steel, what does an engine part have to do with a barrel or an action?
Just because there may be benefits in one use case doesn't mean the benefit translates others, and in a favorable cost/benefit ratio.
 
Other than being made of steel, what does an engine part have to do with a barrel or an action?
Just because there may be benefits in one use case doesn't mean the benefit translates others, and in a favorable cost/benefit ratio.
I guess heat treating is worthless too, if you know how and what heat treating does you would never ask the question you just asked, let see... would you want to heat a gun barrel or an engine part up to just about melting point and hope to keep the dimensions the same before you started? WALA! Cryo it imparts many of the same quality's of heat treating,
 
Cryo seems to be same discussion as 7.5s or 8s in trap shooting...........
Berretta and several other High end shotgun MFG's cryo their barrels CYRO and HEAT TREATING are ALL about rearraigning the molecules in a more favorable pattern.
 
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Berretta and several other High end shotgun MFG's cryo their barrels CYRO and HEAT TREATING are ALL about rearraigning the molecules in a more favorable pattern.
A few barrel makers cryo'ed in the past before seeing the light. Barrel blanks seem to machine a little better, but not worth the time and expense. So my "Beretta" has a cryo'ed barrel??
Sir, you may want to do a little research on cryo. What temp and cycle would be a true cryo on a barrel blank?
 
I'm nearly old, and I seem to remember even older writings talking about how the 220 Swift just wasn't a very long lived barrel until stainless became "a thing".

I think the example of torch cutting chrome/molly vs stainless, is probably a very apt splanation. Chrome/moly may have mechanical wear resistance that is superior to stainless, but be inferior in the high-temp/pressure burn that occurs in the first three inches with every shot of a high pressure cartridge. jd
 
I'm nearly old, and I seem to remember even older writings talking about how the 220 Swift just wasn't a very long lived barrel until stainless became "a thing".

I think the example of torch cutting chrome/molly vs stainless, is probably a very apt splanation. Chrome/moly may have mechanical wear resistance that is superior to stainless, but be inferior in the high-temp/pressure burn that occurs in the first three inches with every shot of a high pressure cartridge. jd
JD, this is where melonite comes in. After checking 3 barrels that the persons say didn't shoot after treatment showed they were not cleaned sufficiently after treatment. I put mine in a tub of water for a few days to help melt the QPQ salts in the barrel. JB it and then you are good.
 
l know a guy who makes barrels. He said the BEST barrels come from old USED truck axles. l asked why almost all his barrels are stainless. Reply, ''Stainless won't rust. Don't have to blue it''
 

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