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Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

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Investigators found impressions on the roof where the suspect in the video jumped from. Seems to indicate a loose material type roof. Shooter probably hid the rifle earlier on the roof, covering it with the towel.
 
The urban populations are jammed into a corner with no where to run or express themselves in meaningful way. And are resentful of the rural freedoms we have. They are of one mindset. It is only going to get worse for them needing government support to survive in that environment. So they hate us. Everyone needs an enemy and we make a good one. At some point we will have to fight back. It is to bad it will come to that, but that's human history.
 
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Tyler Robinson, son of a career law enforcement veteran. Confessed to his dad. $600,000 house. Pictures have the look of a nice family. Dad did the honorable thing. Family members liked guns.

Time to be on the lookout for nice families now? Yes, but it shouldn’t be news. Mentally broken can come wrapped in any package. Gun owners have not already outwardly disqualified themselves from possession as many others in the public have, but you have to watch everybody.

Other thoughts are that security professionals and law enforcement continue to grossly underestimate the brazenness and adeptness of shooters, especially young ones.

But recently they are not “all that hidden” when it comes down to it. We are getting beaten by illogical thinkers on a shoestring budget again and again. Some will, cardio and flexibility is going to be enough, every time?

A hobby grade drone can see what everyone outside is up to. Not to demean LE, but this was a fail, not a 33 hour “catch” and he’s caught now because of super cheap video cameras that we can afford to saturate our country with and extremely inexpensive data storage so that we don’t have to overwrite for weeks. Without those cameras, this was never solved. It looked like a phone’s outline in his pocket, and they are trackers.
 
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I hope everybody gets a chance to hear what Utah Governor Cox said at the 10:00 news conference about us getting our act together and stopping the hate, "this was not just an attack on Charlie, it was an attack on all of us". Maybe it is time to prosecute those who publicly incite violence. At the very least they should be pointed out and shouted down! At some point the politicians who couldn't observe a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk will stand one day, alone before God.
 
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quote: "davidjoe"A hobby grade drone can see what everyone below is up to. Not to demean LE, but this was a fail, not a 33 hour “catch” and he’s caught now because of of super cheap video cameras that we can afford to saturate our country with and extremely inexpensive data storage so that we don’t have to overwrite for weeks. Without those cameras, this was never solved.
Hind sight is very easy, as they say.. I agree with you about a drone and I wasn't going to get on this forum and sound off, but I am. "IF" drone had been used in Butler, PA and UT we would not be where we are today.. Easy to judge now, but what in the "h" are these "security experts" doing?
 
It looked to me like he was carrying something on the longish side as he dropped from the roof of the building. EDITED I just watched it closer. Not a full length FA. pretty advanced takedown rifle or folding stock. Vintage Mauser doesn't fit that bill. Guy looked pretty agile.
Thank you. When he dropped off the building and started running, he was lugging )as you say) a longish a dark-colored bag of some sort. Didn't everyone see the video of him "limping" beforehand with a rifle in his right pants leg? It either had a folding stock or was a very short, compact rifle. I think I see the deltoid outline of a shoulder stock over his upper thigh, under his pants. Above that a rectangular outline of a smart phone in a pants pocket.
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You guys are looking for a conspiracy where one doesn't exist.

First, don't project your knowledge onto someone else. Just because you wouldn't do it that way doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. Especially when it comes to the "this doesn't make sense" kinda stuff. Of course most of us wouldn't try jumping off a series of rooftops carrying a long rifle. But a 20-something who is obviously not in their right mind and doesn't have any training would. Also, the footage of the alleged shooter leaving the roof is so grainy you can't tell what he may or may not be carrying, or how. I suspect he was carrying it, got to the woods and realized "Why the hell am I lugging this boat-anchor around with me?", and dropped it. There is also another video that claims to be of the shooter escaping that is actually from a different shooting in June or July in Nevada. Make sure you are looking at the right one, people.

The gun itself is pretty indicative of the fact that the person isn't a pro. Just look at how it is set up. Looks a lot like the franken-guns and other crappy firearms used in recent attacks by mentally ill children.

Finally, the location of the shot is about 140 yards from where Charlie was sitting. The fact that he was hit in the neck also provides evidence of the shooter's lack of skill. Just like the Trump shooter, I suspect he was going for a head shot and missed. Unfortunately, unlike the Trump shooter, he missed in such a manner that he did hit something vital. A pro wouldn't miss and surely wouldn't aim for the neck.

You've just parroted everything you've heard on the news man.
Cognitive outsourcing / cognitive offloading – This is when people rely on external sources (like media, apps, or authority figures) to think or remember for them instead of doing the cognitive work themselves. Watching mainstream media to interpret events for you is a form of cognitive outsourcing.

This is indicative of many people, and I understand. People want answers in uncertain and unnerving times. When emotions and tensions are high, we turn to those we think have the answers to be able to make sense of things that just don't make sense. But the people they turn to (MSM) are habitual liars, so believing anything that comes from their mouths is a fools game.
 
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quote: "davidjoe"A hobby grade drone can see what everyone below is up to. Not to demean LE, but this was a fail, not a 33 hour “catch” and he’s caught now because of of super cheap video cameras that we can afford to saturate our country with and extremely inexpensive data storage so that we don’t have to overwrite for weeks. Without those cameras, this was never solved.
Hind sight is very easy, as they say.. I agree with you about a drone and I wasn't going to get on this forum and sound off, but I am. "IF" drone had been used in Butler, PA and UT we would not be where we are today.. Easy to judge now, but what in the "h" are these "security experts" doing?

It’s hindsight, and in Florida on the golf course, that was a definite win. The SS agent should be given instant full retirement benefits except that his skills need to be passed on.

These two guys just camped out with their rifles pointed, and even people who were not dedicated security saw them. The buck stops with Kirk’s own decisions in public engagements, but his people have only one job, his safety, not a single other purpose for being there. It’s bound to have come up in conversation rooms of these security providers. My son locates cows in thick brush with a drone; they are game changers.
 
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Watching mainstream media to interpret events for you is a form of cognitive outsourcing.

This is indicative of many people, and I understand.
Not me. My math and engineering training to blame, perhaps, but I don't accept anything I see or hear at face value. I solve any such puzzle myself, methodically, logically from the beginning, building on facts I can prove to my own satisfaction. It may take longer than desired, and I may fail, but no one does my thinking for me.
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But the people they turn to (MSM) are habitual liars, so believing anything that comes from their mouths is a fools game.
My brother-in-law listens to ABC world news tonight with David Muir. Told me how well informed that keeps him and how reliable David Muir's reporting is :rolleyes:. I told him that we will just have to agree to disagree. That logic is why even those who try somewhat to inform themselves, are so totally uninformed. Fake News.
 
Bottom line is it shouldn’t be about any political party, or about who believes in what — that kind of thinking only divides us further(which is what we are good at). Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions (as we can see how apparent it is even in this thread) and that’s okay. What matters most is learning how to respect each other, listen, and find ways to work together. If we can move past pointing fingers and focus on understanding, we’ll be a lot closer to solving problems instead of creating new ones. As much as people may not like it or want it to be, this is not the same day and age of our grandparents, and is not going to go back to anything like it was then. We are losing all kinds of people to senseless murder nowadays, these are mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters, friends, and most of all, real people. Society is becoming numb to having any compassion, it needs to change somehow, someway, and soon!
 
My brother-in-law listens to ABC world news tonight with David Muir.
Could be worse. My sister watches CNN or MSNBC every waking moment she's home. And she's completely brainwashed, to the point she has trouble sleeping worrying about the imminent authoritarian rule. I kid you not. Soaking it up is like an addiction to heroin to those with TDS. Thing is, she knows absolutely nothing about national or world affairs, has no opinion on social issues or border security, is completely uninformed and uneducated beyond HS. Why does she hate him? He's crass, boastful, "lies constantly" and doesn't look presidential. That's about as deep as it goes. Everything else she knows comes from CNN, MSNBC, or doomscrolling the echo chamber. Anything from those sources are facts. End of discussion.
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You guys are looking for a conspiracy where one doesn't exist.

First, don't project your knowledge onto someone else. Just because you wouldn't do it that way doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. Especially when it comes to the "this doesn't make sense" kinda stuff. Of course most of us wouldn't try jumping off a series of rooftops carrying a long rifle. But a 20-something who is obviously not in their right mind and doesn't have any training would. Also, the footage of the alleged shooter leaving the roof is so grainy you can't tell what he may or may not be carrying, or how. I suspect he was carrying it, got to the woods and realized "Why the hell am I lugging this boat-anchor around with me?", and dropped it. There is also another video that claims to be of the shooter escaping that is actually from a different shooting in June or July in Nevada. Make sure you are looking at the right one, people.

The gun itself is pretty indicative of the fact that the person isn't a pro. Just look at how it is set up. Looks a lot like the franken-guns and other crappy firearms used in recent attacks by mentally ill children.

Finally, the location of the shot is about 140 yards from where Charlie was sitting. The fact that he was hit in the neck also provides evidence of the shooter's lack of skill. Just like the Trump shooter, I suspect he was going for a head shot and missed. Unfortunately, unlike the Trump shooter, he missed in such a manner that he did hit something vital. A pro wouldn't miss and surely wouldn't aim for the neck.
My generation has always had a difficult time accepting the fact that a two bit looser could take a military rifle purchased via mail order for less than $100 and snuff out the life of the President of The United States.
 
Ok, is his LEO dad sight-impaired, or just doesn't watch TV news? The photos showing the killer very clearly were everywhere for, what, 24 hours? I would think his father would have leaped out of his skin upon first glance at those photos.
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There’s a story to reflect on about Abraham. The decision to subject your son to a death penalty prosecution cannot be easy. Let’s credit the dad that he did not lose track of his son in those hours, and that he acted before Skye and others got killed for what his son told him he did.
 
I stand rebuked.
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No rebuke intended at all. God stopped Abraham but the dad here knows Utah will not. Every moment from birth was flashing and replaying, his first steps, sentences, every bit of laughter, accomplishment, hug and hope and desire that he saw in Tyler’s eyes dies with that call.
 
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