was Carb-Out Ingredients. now Common Sense vs Safety

[Sixfiver]

Carb-Out has a strong smell and is made of:

-Acetone: is a colorless, flammable liquid that is the simplest ketone, commonly used as a solvent in products like nail polish remover and paint thinner. It is also produced naturally in the body during fat metabolism
-Octadecanoic Acid: is another name for stearic acid, a saturated fatty acid with an 18-carbon chain. It is commonly found in animal and vegetable fats and is used in various products, including soaps, cosmetics, and pharmaceuticals
Aromatic Hydrocarbon: are organic compounds that contain one or more aromatic rings, characterized by their unique stability due to the delocalization of pi electrons. The most well-known example is benzene, which has a ring structure and is used in various industrial applications.
Solvent Naphtha: Is a flammable liquid hydrocarbon mixture derived from petroleum, commonly used as a solvent in paints, varnishes, and industrial applications due to its high evaporation rate and effectiveness in dissolving various substances. It is also known for its pleasant odor and is often used in cleaning and degreasing operations.
Pseudocumene: also known as 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene, is an organic compound that is a colorless, flammable liquid with a strong odor. It is used in the production of high-performance polymers, dyes, perfumes, and as an antiknock agent in gasoline.
4-Methyl-2Penetanol: also known as Methyl isobutyl carbinol (MIBC), is a colorless liquid with a mild odor, commonly used as a solvent and in chemical synthesis. Its chemical formula is C₆H₁₄O, and it has various applications in industries such as paint and coatings.
2-Butoxyethanol: also known as 2-butoxyethanol, is a colorless liquid commonly used as a solvent in household cleaning products, paints, and coatings. It can enter the body through inhalation or skin contact and is regulated due to its potential health effects
1,3,5-Trimethylbenzene: commonly known as mesitylene, is a colorless liquid with a sweet aromatic odor and is a derivative of benzene with three methyl groups symmetrically attached. It is primarily used as a precursor in the production of various chemicals and is found in coal tar.
Xylene: also known as dimethylbenzene, is an organic compound that exists in three isomeric forms: ortho-xylene, meta-xylene, and para-xylene. It is a colorless, flammable liquid commonly used as a solvent and in the production of various chemicals, including plastics and dyes
Cumene: also known as isopropylbenzene, is an organic compound that consists of a benzene ring with an isopropyl group. It is primarily used in the production of phenol and acetone through the cumene process and is a flammable liquid found in crude oil and refined fuels.
Naphthalene: is an organic compound with the chemical formula C10H8, known for its strong odor similar to mothballs. It is primarily used in products like mothballs, toilet deodorants, and as a chemical precursor in various industrial applications.
Ethylene Glycol
and good old Benzene (I have that flowing in my blood from Jet A fuel exposure):is a colorless, flammable liquid with the chemical formula C6H6, primarily used in the production of various chemicals and as a solvent. It is classified as a carcinogen, meaning long-term exposure can increase the risk of developing leukemia and other blood disorders. Oh Goodie

Their website says "No Acids" but it has Octadecanoic Acid. Maybe they meant strong acid?

Their website also says its a aerosol, when its a liquid.
Carb-Out

I use it as directed, apply and wipe out with patch leaving a thin microscopic coating in the bore.
Are any of these ingredients going to cause long term damage to carbon steel barrels or myself when leaving a film in the bore and fumes in my lungs? Answered my own question about health But is it really that much when you clean the bore?

Be sure to wear gloves when using it.
For the most part, I like how it works but the smell is very strong and I already have breathed in and absorbed enough Jet A from work. Not sure if breathing it is good for you long term??? I am still alive but do already have symptoms of jet fuel exposure syndrome.

I would like a better smelling and less ene's and nol's in it but then it probably wouldn't work?
I will probably keep using it but have a fan running and a door open to escape the fumes.

My Naturopathic doctor told me she will prescribe me a supplement that will block, absorb, contain damaging fumes like from Jet A that will keep me from having to change careers after I am done detoxing. She hasn't told me what the supplement is yet. I will have to take Carb-Out contents with me to see what she says those chemicals and exposure levels.

 

[Jeff Porter]

yeah Octadecanoic Acid is acid in name because it has a the carboxylic OH-C=O on the tail of it. A very weak organic acid.

 

[skinnj1]

For what it is worth everything you list after aromatic hydrocarbon is a aromatic hydrocarbon by definition with the exception of MIBC- branch chained alcohol and 2-Butoxyethanola a primary alcohol

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I can’t really smell carb out.

It works great.

So if it were radioactive, oh well

Maybe I have an exposure syndrome?

 

[RICK SMITH]

Man, I feel dumb

 

[Sixfiver]

~ I am surprised I can smell anything.
I remember sitting on my little red chair inhaling the exhaust from my dads 1970 Buick convertible, holding my breath and leaning over the cage in top of the concrete truck trying to get a clear breath of air while using muriatic acid to get the concrete off the concrete truck, spending weeks cleaning up hazmat spills of Jet A without a respirator.
~ Man, I am dump...Just think what I could of accomplished if I had all my original brain cells??? That explains my Sig purchase

 

[charlie b]

Lots of stuff in these solvents that aren't really good for you. And, yes, aromatic hydrocarbons are everywhere.

We used to have our arms wet with the old rifle bore cleaner when cleaning cannon barrels. Buckets, rags, dripping from the barrel, etc. Bore accumulators were 'special'. They had to be scrubbed, usually by hand, so elbow deep. Usually scraped knuckles so direct blood exposure. No protection at all. Got uniforms wet with the stuff. Kinda sit in it for hours.

And yes, I wear gloves these days

KG-12 has a cyanide compound in it. I don't breathe that stuff. Fan and open garage door.

 

[jk80]

~ I am surprised I can smell anything.
I remember sitting on my little red chair inhaling the exhaust from my dads 1970 Buick convertible, holding my breath and leaning over the cage in top of the concrete truck trying to get a clear breath of air while using muriatic acid to get the concrete off the concrete truck, spending weeks cleaning up hazmat spills of Jet A without a respirator.
~ Man, I am dump...Just think what I could of accomplished if I had all my original brain cells??? That explains my Sig purchase

Know what you mean. I was a journeyman pipefitter for over 40 years. When I started we washed tools and oily gloves off in benzene. Pounded asbestos off pipe to get to the pipe to work on it. Makes me wonder WHEN, not if I'll get something from all that exposure. I knew the refineries weren't making cologne or root beer but there was a lot they knew and didnt share with the workers.

 

[Sixfiver]

Just got my Hormone Test results and I am surprised, non of the ENDOCRINE DISRUPTORS were high

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Carb out and all the other gun cleaning supplies are the least of my concerns.

This country would never have been built and turned into a superpower if the great men before us were worried about gun cleaning solvent. Don’t eat it. They had way bigger problems. And we do too. Like our food. Our government. On and on.

Ya wanna live forever?

 

[Tod Hendricks]

Lots of stuff in these solvents that aren't really good for you. And, yes, aromatic hydrocarbons are everywhere.

We used to have our arms wet with the old rifle bore cleaner when cleaning cannon barrels. Buckets, rags, dripping from the barrel, etc. Bore accumulators were 'special'. They had to be scrubbed, usually by hand, so elbow deep. Usually scraped knuckles so direct blood exposure. No protection at all. Got uniforms wet with the stuff. Kinda sit in it for hours.

And yes, I wear gloves these days

KG-12 has a cyanide compound in it. I don't breathe that stuff. Fan and open garage door.

Thank you for the kg12 comment, I did a little digging and you are correct. I never knew that and I use a lot of it.

Msds KG-12

 

[shoot4fun]

After two bouts of Lymphoma I wear nitrile gloves for gun cleaning.

 

[M-61]

Ya wanna live forever?

Well…..
I’ll probably die trying.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Well…..
I’ll probably die trying.

I’m certainly not saying a guy should go looking for health problems. I’m just saying how does a guy actually avoid these so called hazards. How effective are gloves and a fan? We shoot/handle/clean lead, now what?

I spray weeds with roundup, because it works, and I don’t like running a hoe.

I use all kinds of solvents that may be harmful. I’m likely exposed to things that are worse that I don’t know about. What are you going to do? Not get the job done?

You can’t find a product that doesn’t say “prop 65, in California this causes cancer”

Reminds me of wearing masks during covid, unless you’re a member of an uncontacted tribe in the amazon, you’re being exposed, daily, to harmful things.

 

[jimmymac]

Wearing basic PPE is a no brainer. Spent 39 years working at chemical plants, refineries, steeel mills, gas plants, smelters, etc. Lot of bad shit so I did what I did with safety gear because I could. Can’t eliminate risk 100%, but I can eliminate stupid.

 

[Sixfiver]

~Ya wanna live forever?
* No

~how does a guy actually avoid these so called hazards?
*for me its trial by error.

~How effective are gloves and a fan?
*Ask me after I become an EXPERT, still in training on that one.

~We shoot/handle/clean lead, now what?
*I am still in training on that one too, clamping down in lead split shot sinkers with my teeth didn't raise my LEAD levels according to my lab results.

~What are you going to do? Not get the job done?
*No warnings and too many warnings are about the same thing, they do little to keep you safe.
The 60's 70's and 80's culture of "no safety, just common sense" has been replaced by "too much safety and no common sense". Hopefully the next generation will figure out how to implement "safety through common sense".

I am like most Gen X guys, if you haven't been directly hurt by "something", that "something" wont hurt you. Only after you have been hurt by that "something", then you consider the consequences of doing that "something" and then MAYBE do something safer, or not!

Now, when I spray the weed and bug spray around and in the house, I do a better job of holding my breath and taking a step back and turn my head when I need more air

I worked in Alaska a few years back in a small village (Galena) and it was like living in the 1980's. Life jackets in boats was rare, young children piled on top of each other riding on ATV's with no safety gear on the streets was common, helmets must of been banned as non were seen anywhere. I was in PARRICIDE!

I kinda remember that "training" I got during the dangerous 1970's that you don't point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot and looking down the barrel of a gun with the chamber closed is a bad idea.

Now that I have signs of chemical exposure, I am now going to become a CHEMICAL EXPOSURE EXPERT and do more Win Hof breathing exercises so I can hold my breath longer while standing on top of my tanker trailer with the hatch open while loading Jet A fuel into it.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

~Ya wanna live forever?
* No

~how does a guy actually avoid these so called hazards?
*for me its trial by error.

~How effective are gloves and a fan?
*Ask me after I become an EXPERT, still in training on that one.

~We shoot/handle/clean lead, now what?
*I am still in training on that one too, clamping down in lead split shot sinkers with my teeth didn't raise my LEAD levels according to my lab results.

~What are you going to do? Not get the job done?
*No warnings and too many warnings are about the same thing, they do little to keep you safe.
The 60's 70's and 80's culture of "no safety, just common sense" has been replaced by "too much safety and no common sense". Hopefully the next generation will figure out how to implement "safety through common sense".

I am like most Gen X guys, if you haven't been directly hurt by "something", that "something" wont hurt you. Only after you have been hurt by that "something", then you consider the consequences of doing that "something" and then MAYBE do something safer, or not!

Now, when I spray the weed and bug spray around and in the house, I do a better job of holding my breath and taking a step back and turn my head when I need more air

I worked in Alaska a few years back in a small village (Galena) and it was like living in the 1980's. Life jackets in boats was rare, young children piled on top of each other riding on ATV's with no safety gear on the streets was common, helmets must of been banned as non were seen anywhere. I was in PARRICIDE!

I kinda remember that "training" I got during the dangerous 1970's that you don't point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot and looking down the barrel of a gun with the chamber closed is a bad idea.

Now that I have signs of chemical exposure, I am now going to become a CHEMICAL EXPOSURE EXPERT and do more Win Hof breathing exercises so I can hold my breath longer while standing on top of my tanker trailer with the hatch open while loading Jet A fuel into it.

I’m glad you have a sense of humor. Was starting to think I was making you mad. Have a good one.

 

[M-61]

I use all kinds of solvents that may be harmful. I’m likely exposed to things that are worse that I don’t know about. What are you going to do? Not get the job done?

Yeah you bet.
I did get the job done. Big time.
I was exposed to toxins the manufacturer knew exactly what ‘could’ happen. Me? I had no idea.
You’d rather not see what Agent Orange has done to me.
Ever hear of Agent Purple and Agent White ?

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Yeah you bet.
I did get the job done. Big time.
I was exposed to toxins the manufacturer knew exactly what ‘could’ happen. Me? I had no idea.
You’d rather not see what Agent Orange has done to me.
Ever hear of Agent Purple and Agent White ?

Thank you for your service.

No I’ve not heard of purple and white.

 

[Sixfiver]

The Rainbow Herbicides are a group of tactical-use chemical weapons used by the United States military in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War. Success with Project AGILE field tests in 1961 with herbicides in South Vietnam was inspired by the British use of herbicides and defoliants during the Malayan Emergency in the 1950s, which led to the formal herbicidal program Trail Dust (see Operation Ranch Hand). Herbicidal warfare is the use of substances primarily designed to destroy the plant-based ecosystem of an agricultural food production area and/or to destroy dense foliage which provides the enemy with natural tactical cover.