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Cant decide on next cartridge

Hey all, i have a 6.5x284 on a savage target action right now that still has about 800 rounds left in it but when the barrel is gone i want to have it rebarreled to a different cartridge. I want to keep the same bolt face and want it to stay as a 6.5 or 6mm. It needs to have long barrel life as it will be my long range (400-1200 yard) prairie dog gun. I want it to have a 32" barrel and it will be a straight taper 1.25" (i think that was the diameter of not it is something like 1.1). If a 6.5 i will shoot the 160 grain matrix VLD and if a 6mm i will shoot the 115 berger or 115 DTAC. The rig will end up weighing about 17 lbs scoped but i dont want something with a ton of recoil. For a 6.5 i was thinking the 6.5x47 Lapua, for the 6mm i was thinking 6x47 Lapua or 6mm BR-DX. The only concern i have with those 3 cartridges listed is if they "big enough" to take advantage of the 32" barrel. It NEEDS to have good brass, ie Lapua or Norma. If there are any other cartridges that you think will fit the bill please suggest them, i have considered the 260 rem but am really not a fan of the short neck. Thanks for your help.
Riley
 
Ive got a 6 dasher that shoots just about every thing I put thru it. That would be at the top of my list. I would go with 6xc after that. As far as 6.5 I think your on the right track with 6.5x47. Good luck to you in your search.
 
6 and 6.5 super LR have a nice long neck. You can form them both easily from Lapua 243 or 260 brass, though you'd have to deal with donuts by reaming or turning...

The 6 and 6.5x47L would be super easy, but if it were me, I'd want a bit more horsepower.
 
6.5x47L and a 160gr bullet? Why not look at a 260AI or 6.5SLR? Have a bit more power to shoot heavy bullets. Anything that you want to shoot long distance with heavy bullets is going to need some power to it so barrel life might not be so great. What about a straight 284W and 168AMAX? As for 6mm again once you start going up towards 6x47L terrritory your barrel life isnt going to be that great. A 6 dasher with a 105gr bullet will do what you want up to 700 or so then keep your 7mm for longer shots.
 
If you want to stay in the "6mm / 6.5mm caliber range" then you REALLY narrow yourself down. However, having said that, I have a 6.5 x 47>>>you stated you want to get to 1200 yards. That cartridge will physically get you there but with any sort of ability in the wind, you will be lacking severely. I also have a 6-6.5 x 47, which theoretically is almost the equal of a 6.5 x 284. However, "paper ballistics" and REAL world application, in my opinion, are 2 different things. My 6-6.5 x 47 shoots 115DTACS at 2985f.p.s. and that too will "physically get you to 1200 yards". but once again you will be "shooting and HOPING" the bullet drifts anywhere near where you want it to.

If you are serious about 1000-1200 yard shooting, you really have to consider a 7mm design. Something along the lines of a 284 Shehane or Walker variant will get you to 1200 yards with a LOT LESS HOPING, and a bit more HITTING... I have ZERO experience with either of these 2 rounds, however, I have extensive experience with the aforementioned rounds. AND barrel life on the Shehane OR Walker is in excess of 2000 rounds>>>maybe closer to 3000 rounds..
 
I have a 284 win right now (just finished building it) and it weighs in at about 11 lbs and recoil is excessive with 162 grain bullets and no muzzle brake. I have never heard of the 6.5 SLR, tell me more about it.

Thanks, Riley
 
A 6.5X55AI would be an excellent choice. I shoot with one of the top F-Class shooters and it is his favorite cartridge for consistent accuracy. I have also seen very impressive match results from a 6.5-06 at 1000 yards. The long cartridges seem to perform well loaded single shot in short actions so don't rule them out if you don't need the magazine.
 
barnesuser28 said:
Its a single shot action so almost anything will work well, the only problem would be ejecting a loaded round.

Normally, you don't take one out very often and, when you do, just take the whole bolt out. A common and bigger problem is attempting to remove a loaded round when the bullet is jammed into the lands and it doesn't come out with the case. That is a PITA! Saw one just last week. Fortunately, the shooter had a can of compressed air with him.
 
It takes a fairly large case to launch the 6mm 115gr bullets. I would say a 6xc would be the minimum case and work up from there. There really isn't anything wrong with the .243 Win for that matter. That case has the capacity to get the 6mm bullet moving.

I really like the 6.5x284. You say you have 800 rounds left in your current barrel, is it unfired? That is about the life of a 6.5x284 ;)

Scott
 
A copy and paste from the .243 sidebar on the main page:


.243 Ackley Improved–More Velocity, Less Case Stretch

by Bob Blaine, Sinclair International

Parker Ackley reluctantly developed the .243 Ackley Improved (“AI”). Ackley finally gave in to his customers’ requests to develop the .243 AI. He had always felt that the .243 Winchester was already an improved configuration, but he did say that the best thing to be gained by improving the .243 Winchester was to substantially reduce the case-stretching problems. The .243 Winchester parent case has always stretched brass, almost as bad as the Swift. Even though you get more velocity with the improved .243, I’ve also found that the improved version gives a bit more throat life than the parent case does.

The .243 AI delivers more velocity by virtue of enhanced case capacity–roughly five grains more H20 capacity than a standard .243 Winchester. The .243 AI has a water capacity of approximately 57 to 58 grains, compared to 52-53 grains for the standard .243 Winchester.

Fire-Forming

As always, fire-forming is done by one of two methods. Most of you will fire form the brass with loaded .243 Winchester. Ackley always said to use factory loads, or reload equivalent ammo to have a “snappy” load to form the case out properly. You never want to use a reduced load to form with, since you need the pressure to form properly. If your rifle is chambered properly, you should feel a slight amount of resistance as you close the bolt on a new piece of brass. If you do not get this “feel”, you may need to seat the bullets out to .010″ to .015″ into the lands to make sure that the base of the case stays in solid contact with the bolt face. The fire-forming method I have been using more lately employs medium burn-rate pistol powders and Cream of Wheat. I will start by loading about 10 grains of SR4756 or Unique into the case, and then I fill the case up to the body shoulder junction with Cream of Wheat. I will then take a large pinch of polyester filler, which can be found at any fabric supply store, or sewing department, such as at Wal-Mart. I will then take the pinch of polyester and load it into the case so that it fills up the shoulder area of the case effectively making sure that the filler is held securely over the powder for fire-forming. During the fire-forming, I like to dry brush with a nylon bore brush every 10 to 15 rounds. This removes any loose debris from filler that has accumulated. [Editors Note: Do NOT seat a bullet using this "Cream of Wheat" method. You can cap the case with a bit of wax to keep everything in place. However, Bob finds the wax is not necessary if the polyester filler is placed securely.]

Recommended Loads

I’m often asked, “what gunpowder do you recommend”? I generally recommend medium-slow or slow burn-rate powders for the .243 Ackley. I have found, with my rifle, that H414 is pretty much my first choice for use in the .243 AI. H414 tends to give me great accuracy, with good velocity. Saying this, I have tried many other propellants and have found the following powders to be worth looking at for your needs: AA-2700, H414, H4350, VV N150, VV N550, VV N160, VV N560, RL19, H4831sc, and VV N165, to name a few of the powders that I have tested over the years.

Different Reamers, Different “Improveds”

One thing that you need to watch for is what version of the .243 Improved that you have. This depends, for the most part, on whose reamer you will be using for the chambering of your barrel. It is easy to determine if your .243 Improved is the .243 Ackley Improved, or the .243 Winchester Improved. If you have the .243 Ackley Improved, the shoulder-body section will measure .460″ dia. at this point. If you have the .243 Winchester Improved, the shoulder-body section will measure .455″ diameter at this point. Both cartridges have the 40-degree shoulder. I have used both versions and found that you can use any data developed for either version interchangeably.

The .243 Ackley Improved is one of the best long range varmint rounds going, and can add some extra punch for your light big game rifle as well. One would be hard pressed to ignore a cartridge as versatile as the .243 Ackley Improved.

Matt’s Screamin’ Yellow Ackley–The Need for Speed

.243 AI Speed Demon

In a long-range varmint rifle, speed kills. Ultra-high velocities deliver flatter trajectories and more explosive hits. And that’s where the .243 Ackley really shines. While we don’t advocate “pushing the limits” with factory actions, Matt Bianchini has explored the upper limits of .243 Ackley performance with his Farley-actioned long-range rig, fitted with a 29″ Lilja 3-groove, 8-twist barrel. Using a stout load of Reloader 25, Matt’s “Screamin’ Yellow Ackley” has topped 3340 fps with Clinch River 106s. That is serious speed for heavy 6mm bullets. This shows a well-built .243 AI leaves Dashers and 6XCs in the dust when it comes to pure velocity.
 
I don't know of anything that will send a 115 DTAC at acceptable velocities and also provide good barrel life. That is an extremely heavy bullet for the caliber and the barrel is going to wear out very fast. If you are serious about barrel life, then a 6BR with a 105gr bullet sets the standard. It's all downhill from there; a bigger cartridge and heavier bullet are going to significantly reduce the barrel life. If you have a 6.5x284 and want better barrel life, some other 6.5 cartridge or even a 284WIN would be the things I'd look at.
 
Now that i think about it, i will probably have the barrel melonited, which should give the 6.5x284 about 2500-300 rounds of barrel life. So i guess that opens a ton of possibilities if i want the barrel nitrated. How would the 7mm-08 with the 162 amax work on pdogs at 1k.
 
Why not the 280AI and its accuarte and if you ask ptg they will grind it to use 30-06 lapua brass.Look up ex-piper and he will tell you all about it.Roger is a great guy and will get you on the right track.I intend to build one when I find a donor to make it out of.
 
jonbearman said:
Why not the 280AI and its accuarte and if you ask ptg they will grind it to use 30-06 lapua brass.Look up ex-piper and he will tell you all about it.Roger is a great guy and will get you on the right track.I intend to build one when I find a donor to make it out of.
I would go with the 284 win before the 280 AI because i already have dies and a good supply of Lapua 6.5x284 brass that i can neck up (which i did for the 284 win i have now).
 
barnesuser28 said:
Now that i think about it, i will probably have the barrel melonited, which should give the 6.5x284 about 2500-300 rounds of barrel life. So i guess that opens a ton of possibilities if i want the barrel nitrated. How would the 7mm-08 with the 162 amax work on pdogs at 1k.
That is a pipe dream IMHO. I had 7 barrels melonited in the hope it would extend barrel life. I did not experience any measurable increase.
 

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